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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:01 AM
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The Art of Tearing Down Hope

“We don’t need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered.”


It doesn't get less inspiring than that, folks. When that was uttered after two candidates said some very wonderful things, that made me realize we were dealing with the old guard, or as they have been saying about her, the status quo.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:01 AM
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1. that woman is such a drag
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:03 AM
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2. THAT is the line that should sink her n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:05 AM
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3. hey sandnsea! aint that the truth!
when she said that I was appalled a Democrat uttered something that you'd expect some crotchety old GOPer to say like 'those hippies expect too much change too soon'. I didn't see anything about it yet, but I'd make that a million dollar commercial in a heartbeat!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:23 AM
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7. The torch has been passed to a new generation
"Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans—born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage—and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty
This much we pledge—and more.
To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do—for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.
To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.
To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required—not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge—to convert our good words into good deeds—in a new alliance for progress—to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.
To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support—to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective—to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak—and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run.
Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction.
We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.
But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course—both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war.
So let us begin anew—remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.
Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us.
Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms—and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations.
Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce.
Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah—to "undo the heavy burdens ... and to let the oppressed go free."
And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.
All this will not be finished in the first 100 days. Nor will it be finished in the first 1,000 days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.
In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than in mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.
Now the trumpet summons us again—not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are—but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"—a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.
Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?
In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility—I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it—and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.
And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.
My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.
Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own."

JFK inaugural address.

Of course, just words and as we have learned from certain candidates and people here in DU, words are meaningless.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:29 AM
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8. thank you for posting this! much so! n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:32 AM
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10. Oh make an old woman cry why don't ya
I just got done watching Obama in Nashua so I was already weepy. :cry:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:41 AM
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15. lol
yeah, that's a great speech!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:52 AM
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22. I tried for a few minutes to just extract a few sentences.. or a
paragraph from here or there.

Couldn't do it. Even though some is not applicable to 2008, it all is so good, so right, I just had to put the entire speech in the post. Maybe a few here will read it and understand why it is that words, especially words of hope and challenge, are so important. As are the people who breath life into those words, wounding the hearts of all who listen.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:43 AM
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18. I watched that on video just the other day.
So powerful. It was from an era before anti-intellectualism ensured that Presidents can no longer use big words or speak of values in the abstract.

We'll never have that again.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:47 AM
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21. Great Leaders are great orators
and their words cause us to rise above ourselves, to commit to the doing of things we would not dare to dream of. The words used can be ones of hope or fear, but only in hope can we find the good that is in all of us. Lincoln, FDR, and JFK were the leaders that used hope to stir the nation to do what is right and good. No, they weren't perfect, nor were all the great tasks they set before our nation completed within their administrations or, indeed, within their lifetimes. But they pointed the way. Using nothing but words.

Every night for 11 years, if it was dark out (as it often was), I would walk out of my office at NASA Ames Research Center and look into the sky and see the moon. And I would almost invariably think of JFK and the Apollo program and how he pointed the way, and how we (not me, just Americans of the 1960's) accomplished the impossible task. And I was sad. Sad that we stopped going to the moon, sad that no one challenged my generation to a similar task. Using words.

Listening to Obama after Iowa, I have a feeling that he has the potential to be someone that could inspire a nation. I hope that he is.

To be fair, I also think Al Gore (2008 version), has the same potential. But he isn't running for president, much to my regret.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:12 AM
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4. At least she doesn't go around embracing bigots!
Gotta give her that at least.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:23 AM
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6. it's still a hard pill to swallow what he did in not pushing Donnie out of his Gospel Tour n/t
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:34 AM
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12. Yup. That's why I can't trust him. And some of his
supporters here at DU are quite obnoxious regarding the issue.

And it's very troubling to see people with pink triangles support Obama.

It makes me uncomfortable to see gay people fooled.

Kinda like those Log Cabin gay people who think the GOP cares about them.

Hopefully Edwards has another strong performance in NH.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:40 AM
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14. cboy4 I hope so!
yes, despite how well Obama did in Iowa, my best friend's mom said she doesn't trust him and won't vote for him even if he's our nominee, and she's sticking to it. She knows how he kept that back-in-the-closet homophobe on his Gospel Tour despite the crazy crap he speaks about how homosexuality needs exterminated in the world (how that occurs without harming us is beyond me!), and claims it will come through prayer.

What he really means brainwashing, because praying to the Lord aint gonna remove our sexuality as we know, but others always need to hear, if God wanted us all straight we'd all be straight, it's not complicated.

Always good to hear your thoughts cboy4... you take care.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:30 AM
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9. Except her SC co-chairs that you keep ignoring n/t
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:37 AM
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13. I am because they're not actively speaking out against
homosexuality on the campaign trail in a public forum.

Obama doesn't have a problem with it.

His person thinks being gay is evil and that it's a choice.

Despicable.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:47 AM
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20. cboy, I'll catch you in February n/t
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:05 AM
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Funny thing that...
I had to do some research to realize what this whole debate was about.

I discovered something about "ex-gays" who apparently deceded to preach that they'd been "cured". My research was fairly lazy, I'll admit... but it seems to me that the fact that I even had to do research suggests that it was a rather limited event, as far as the campaign goes.
I did see the "debates" on Logos, or whatever that channel that's ostensibly a gay issues forum is called ("Logos"? or something like that... ) I saw Richardson being clueless, Obama and Clinton being calculating, Edwards being Southern (which, as a term, isn't a very homo-friendly adjective), and... of course, Kucinich a Saint.
Hell... I'm finding myself rather pro-Obama, but I'll admit he doesn't have the courage to go full-tilt pro-gay-rights. Look at what it did for Gavin Newsome in SF. We're talking national politics... and for a black man, looking for black votes... well, politically, full-tilt pro homo-rights would be national-politics suicide.

It's regrettable. I wish Kucinich style acknowledgement of full rights for homosexuals, gay marriage, etc. were nationally viable stances. I double-plus-whole heartedly love Kucinich for his un-bending support thereof.

National politics wise, though, well... none of the front runners are particularly avant-garde on Gay (or LGBT) issues. They, unfortunately, can't be. Would they be if they could?... fuck if I know. All I know is that Kucinich offered the second votes of his supporters to Obama... and I've gotta think he wouldn't've done so if Obama were as anti-gay as some like to think based on some entertainers that his campaign signed up.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:15 AM
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5. In itself the statement is true. No hope is better than false hope.
But how about making things happen?

If your ambition is the one job in the world where you can really make a difference, then you are the one who can determine what hope is false and what hope is realistic.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:33 AM
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11. I'm guessing you've never been completely hopeless
If you had, you'd know anything is better than that.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:42 AM
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17. beautiful statement! good night n/t
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:32 AM
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25. If it wasn't for bad luck, I would have no luck at all
Is that what you're referring to?

False hope is the same as no hope with added disillusion in the end.

But my point was that the next president of the United States shouldn't speak in terms of "hope".
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:14 AM
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24. I'm getting whipsawed here..
... because HRC is my LEAST favorite candidate, yet I agree with that statement 100%.

In fact, I trace a lot of America's problems to wishful thinking (I can afford that house, I deserve that car, we can fix the Middle East with enough force) and would like to see some realism in our public discourse once in a while.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:42 AM
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16. My first thought was she must not believe in the ever popular "American Dream."
It wasn't just a dispiriting and disheartening comment, but it was pretty stupid. Has she not checked out the demographics of caucus participants going for Obama and Edwards? Did she not check out the past Congressional election? The people WANT CHANGE AND HOPE.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:43 AM
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19. amen! they do, and they're very possibly going to get it! n/t
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:05 AM
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23. My mouth dropped when she said that
I really couldn't beleive she said that. Made me side even more with my candidate and on the side of hope and change.

And all of this - what does hope mean? what does change mean?

Damn, it means hope for better tomorrow - change for a better tomorrow.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 06:45 AM
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26. That's funny. It's a sentiment heard at DU every single day.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:03 AM
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27. I don't recall the exact context that she used it,
so I'm not going to comment on that. But in a general sense, I'd rather have someone telling it to me straight, than painting flowery pictures about everything the government's going to do for you.

I don't think people get it yet, just how messed up GWB and his Brooks Brothers Mafia has made this country. Probably because the media just dances around the reality, dropping coy hints here and there, instead of a sober documentation of the carnage. Here is the reality: whatever Dem gets elected, it will him/her their entire first term just to get back to zero.

Forget about a chicken in every pot, just start by making our cities that were underwater rebuilt, for one example.
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