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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:50 PM
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Obama: Demand a Recount
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 08:54 PM by patrioticintellect

I am keeping tabs on all the Democratic candidates until it comes time for me to vote in the primary.

Basically, for REAL Democrats, the election comes down to the only three progressive candidates running: Kucinich, Edwards, and Obama.

Hillary is not progressive and should not be elected. But will she?

Well, it is time for the Obama Campaign and its supporters to question the official New Hampshire ballot count from yesterday as it looks like the same machines featured in HBO's Hacking Democracy were used in New Hampshire's primary.

Here's the evidence with some links on this page to click on and read into how Obama really won and beat Hillary yesterday.

I understand how you may want to play "nice" but these same machines may be used by Republican thugs in November if Obama does not bring attention to them now. Obama may lose the nomination and become part of a third consecutive election where voter fraud occurs and is not dealt with.

Visit http://action.dennis4president.com/forum/posts/id_2637/page_last/#r9725">this website to read the details.

It is posted on the Kucinich Action Center but it might as well have been posted on Ron Paul's site. I should have found out about this on Obama's Action Center.

After all the media polls predicting a landslide win, the supporters should think something was up because media polling technology has gotten really good in the past few years.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:51 PM
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1. Obama is not a progressive
Kuc is a progressive
Edwards trails Kuc

Obama and Clinton are comparably liberal but not progressive
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:53 PM
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I agree with everything you just said
I am an Edwards progressive. Kooch is lovable, but there are some things that are left of left of left that he espouses that I can't get behind.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:53 PM
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4. Kucinich is my first vote and is progressive.
I'm not a obama supporter but I am a supporter of transparent and verifiable elections.

NH must be hand counted against the machine tabulation results!

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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:58 PM
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13. A recount
Would inevitably lead to Kucinich getting more votes because he did a lot of work and 1% is tough to believe.

Sorry. I know that comment will get naysayers and people who will be telling me to face reality. Go ahead. I'm not going to respond so don't waste your time.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:53 PM
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2. I'm not a REAL Democrat?
At least I believe in democratic process.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM
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10. That's between you, your maker and Howard Dean
The rest is just punditry. Which is the Du specialty du annum.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:53 PM
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3. Why would, presumably, GOP operatives tilt an election *to* Hillary?
Wouldn't they spread votes around to the lesser-known candidates?


I've seen many threads claiming fraud re: the machines but absolutely ZERO proof.

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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:54 PM
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5. take out the who for now and lets just verify the results by a hand count against the machine
tabulations.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:55 PM
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7. And when the results come out the same? What "foul" will you claim then?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:58 PM
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14. I would claim that the diebold machines are correct. so lets do it!!!
transparent and verifiable elections for everyone!
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 09:00 PM
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17. It's the Hillary is the weakest candidate meme
Presumably, Diabolical Diebold is throwing the election to the weakest Democrat and the strongest Republican, so the Republicans win in the General election.

Except that, if Deibold can throw the Primaries, they can throw the General.

So why would they tip their hand this early? :shrug:


:tinfoilhat:
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:28 PM
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19. Why?
Because if Obama keeps Hillary from winning, than the Republicans do not get their dream election.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:55 PM
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6. Take Obama off that list.
He not a progressive.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM
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11. Neither is Hillary
But in any case...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:58 PM
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15. But we know where she stands.
Obama, on the other hand, says one thing and then does another.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 11:27 PM
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18. Great
Thanks for making a case for not voting for either of them.

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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM
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8. Okay
I added a link.

There's links to more information if you follow it to the Action Center.

Oh, and Bill just dropped out. That leaves four candidates for the Democratic nomination.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM
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9. The polls weren't predicting a landslide.
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 08:57 PM by TwilightZone
Zogby had it down to a 2-point race the day before the primary. There was a 15-point shift in the two days prior to the primary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4011969

It only looked like a landslide because the polls were using three- and five-day rolling averages. Even with the averages, Suffolk had it at only five points. Not exactly a landslide.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:56 PM
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12. The fact that he hasn't speaks volumes. eom
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 08:58 PM
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16. On what issues do you think Obama is more progressive than Hillary?
Their records, for the most part, seem pretty similar, as are their stances on many issues.
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