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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:54 AM
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Will we ever learn? Look how a (Historic) genius was marginalized!
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 02:53 AM by DianaForRussFeingold
Nicola Tesla lit the World and wanted free energy for
everyone including the very poor all over the Earth.
-- Do you recall ever learning about Tesla in school?

He invented the poly-phase AC electric current, we use today.
Radio Control, computers, satellites, microwaves and much more....
Physicist, inventor, and electrical engineer--
he lived during the time of Thomas Edison.

Tesla fought for Alternating Current over Edison's Direct Current..
although, he lit up New York, Edison's promises were never kept
so he went to work with Westinghouse and designed
the first hydro-electric power plant in Niagara Falls.

--Around 1900, his vision was to transmit energy
without wires so everybody could have energy for free...
As you can imagine that didn't go down, too well!

This tower was dismantled on July 4, 1917.
It was dynamited and razed by the mortgage holder,
the proprietor of the Waldorf-Astoria.
Much of Tesla's work has not been made public...

"As Tesla claimed to have invented a way to harness free energy from the voltage difference in the ionosphere that causes lightning, he was seen as a threat to the world energy economy."
The Forgotten Wizard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8Y93k0pB0&feature=related

TV show Phenomenon--1 of 4- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiiblwwLPk&feature=related
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:58 AM
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1. Kick and recommend
:kick:
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 AM
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2. I've always had a fascination with Tesla.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 AM by Kutjara
I read a biography of him a few years back ("The Man Who Invented the Twentieth Century") that did a good job of describing both the man's towering genius, and his utter lack of political awareness. That old thief Edison played Tesla for a fool and made many promises he never kept. Tesla took much too long to see the writing on the wall, largely because he was too busy inventing things we still barely understand.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:16 AM
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4. It's sad we don't really know
if it's propaganda... I believe most were frightened by Tesla..
Till the movie came out I didn't know
Howard Hughs was such a hugh contribution to aviation!
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:20 AM
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5. I'm sure a lot of what we "know" about him is propaganda.
Edison got the patents to most of Tesla's patentable stuff, and pretty much suppressed the rest of it. Whether those inventions were destroyed or are sitting deep in some warehouse somewhere, we'll never know.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:54 AM
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10. Years and years ago, I helped this author with some research. K&R


He's written some other books, and has a Tesla website.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:11 AM
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3. Saw the thread title....... and knew it was Tesla
It is just criminal the way that man was treated, and that he still does not get the recognition he deserves. Edison was barely mediocre compared to Tesla.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:43 AM
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7.  I probably learned about him here!
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 02:44 AM by DianaForRussFeingold
Ironic, how his namesake, the Tesla Roadster, is more famous!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:23 AM
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13. Cool car. n/t
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:27 AM
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6. Ours is a Tesla-loving household. Off you go to Greatest!
:kick:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:46 AM
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8. Tesla invented RADIO? I think not. n/t
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:57 AM
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11.  Thanks,good catch,, I got carried away!
I edited the first radio out..
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:12 AM
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14. Nicola Tesla's generosity was often taken advantage of
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:49 AM by DianaForRussFeingold
I did a fact check --No mistake!
Tesla filed for a basic radio patent in 1897..
"With his newly created Tesla coils, the inventor soon discovered
that he could transmit and receive powerful radio signals when
they were tuned to resonate at the same frequency.
When a coil is tuned to a signal of a particular frequency,
it literally magnifies the incoming electrical energy through resonant action."

By early 1895, Tesla was ready to transmit a signal 50 miles
to West Point, New York... But in that same year, disaster struck.
A building fire consumed Tesla's lab, destroying his work.

PBS "who invented the radio" http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_whoradio.html
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:52 AM
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9. I learned about him in the Tesla album liners.


:headbang:

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 03:22 AM
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12. He died and then his workspace burnt up.
Years and years of research was lost, at least to the public. Perhaps whoever burnt the work studio took the plans.

Some people think that various experiments using HAARP in Alaska have to do with our government carrying out Tesla-originated experiments to modify the weather and heat up and/or cool the atmosphere.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:12 AM
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15. He was a man out of time
but I though direct current was his thing.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:00 AM
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16. No not at all
DC was Edison's preference, while AC was Tesla's idea. What do we have currently (hehe) coming out our wall?
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:51 PM
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19. Edison is responsible for introducing the electric chair, which used AC ...
because he wanted to foster the idea that AC was more dangerous than DC.

The first electric chair was made by Harold P. Brown. Brown was an employee of Thomas Edison, hired for the purpose of researching electrocution and for the development of the electric chair. Since Brown worked for Edison, and Edison promoted Brown's work, the development of the electric chair is often erroneously credited to Edison himself. Brown's design was based on use of Nikola Tesla's alternating current (AC), which was marketed by George Westinghouse and was then just emerging as the rival to Edison's less transport-efficient direct current (DC), which was further along in commercial development. The decision to use AC was partly driven by Edison's claims that AC was more lethal than DC, however at the very high currents used for the device, which could be as high as ten amperes, the difference in lethality between the two types of currents was approximately a factor of two, which was marginal.

***

In order to prove that AC electricity was dangerous and therefore better for executions, Brown and Edison, who promoted DC electricity, publicly killed many animals with AC. They killed animals with electric current for the press in order to ensure that AC current was associated with electrical death. It was at these events that the term "electrocution" was coined. Edison tried to introduce the verb "to Westinghouse" for denoting the art of executing persons with AC current. Most of their experiments were conducted at Edison's West Orange, New Jersey, laboratory in 1888.

The demonstrations apparently had their intended effects, and the AC electric chair was adopted by the committee in 1889.<3>

When it came to building the actual state execution device, the Westinghouse company refused to sell an AC generator for the purpose, so Edison and Brown used subterfuge in order to acquire the AC generator. They pretended that the Westinghouse AC generator was for use in a university, and had it dropshipped to New York through a country in South America.

***
more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_chair
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:08 PM
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27. Edison was a sick fuck.
He talked some circus owners into putting down one of their elephants by electrocution, and filming it for theater exhibition.


"Topsy (c 1875 - Jan 4, '03), was a trained elephant with the Forepaugh Circus at Coney Island's Luna Park. Due to her having killed three men in as many years (including an abusive trainer who attempted to feed her a lit cigarette), Topsy was deemed a threat to people by her owners and put down via electrocution on January 4, 1903. Inventor Thomas Edison captured the event on film. He would release it later that year under the title, Electrocuting an Elephant.

An initial means of execution discussed was hanging. However, the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals protested and other ways were considered. Edison then suggested electrocution, in order to discredit the use of AC electricity that was cutting into the market for his DC electricity. Edison then convinced the ASPCA that this would be more humane.

To augment the execution, Topsy was fed carrots laced with 460 grams of potassium cyanide before 6,600 volts of electricity were sent coursing through her body. She was dead in well under a minute. The event was witnessed by an estimated 1,500 people and Edison's film of the event was seen by audiences throughout the United States.

Luna Park burned down in a spectacular fire in 1944.

On July 20, 2003, a memorial for Topsy was erected at the Coney Island Museum"
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:03 AM
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17. He has some great songs, too!
"Love is all around you... love is knocking outside your door..."

Oops... sorry - someone had to say it. :7
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:10 AM
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18. and horribly parodied and maligned. Bowie as Tesla in The Illusionist.
Blech, blech and more blech!

Yet another example of science being ridiculed in popular culture. No wonder freethinking isn't more widespread.
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:12 PM
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21. that was the prestige
im pretty sure, because i went to the illusionist thinking i was going to the prestige


illusionist ed norton


prestige bale and hugh jackman
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:54 PM
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23. Oops you're right. Didn't they come out about the same time?
I can't remember. I just know I confuse the two. Thanks!
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 02:49 PM
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22. Check out the Callahan books by Spider Robinson.
Tesla is a beloved character in those books. An absolute genius, if a little frightened of his own inventions. :)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:37 AM
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24. What genre and what era are those books?? n/t
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:56 AM
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25. Yay! I get to recommend them!
The books are Science Fiction, the author's Spider Robinson, published in the last 10 years or so.
The first one is called "Callahan's Crosstime Saloon", or you can just get "The Callahan Chronicles", which has the first three books - CCS, "Time Travelers Strictly Cash" and "Callahan's Secret".
All told, there are about 10 (?) books, if you include the companion "Lady Sally" books in the total.

The saloon is a bar on Long Island, with a very... interesting bunch of patrons. Lady Sally's is a brothel, with the same kind of patrons. Once you read about either place, you'll want to go there. :) (I'm a feminist, and I loved most of the stuff that happened at Lady Sallys!)

I can't remember exactly which book Tesla shows up in, but he's always pretty great.

If you read them, enjoy! :toast:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:37 PM
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26. Thanks for this info. It sounds like something right up my alley
Or right up my brothel.

As a former feminist (Back in the early seventies I was kicked out of one of the most radical women's groups ever to meet in Madison WI when the other members found out I was <horrors!> pregnant), and probably <though it has never been confirmed> pregnant by a Man nonetheless, I am sure I will enjoy them!
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:41 PM
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30. I hope you like them!
And yes, feminists sometimes have a way of turning on their own. My cousin's wife was fired from her job when she got pregnant. Where did she work? Planned Parenthood!

Regardless, the books are great! I was introduced to them by (horrors!) my husband. (On our third date, he brought me flowers, a book, and a case of Guinness - I was in love...)
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:18 AM
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31. So you sold out for love, did ja?
That sounds like one special guy.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:28 PM
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32. Totally did, and so happy about it! :)
And yes, he is. *big, silly grin*
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 01:54 PM
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20. He's so ignored they named the unit of magnetic flux density after him.
I wonder how he'd feel about all the woo woo nonsense surrounding him.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:12 PM
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28. Exactly...nt
Sid
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:30 PM
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29. K
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM by flashl
Sorry can not rec.
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