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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:21 PM
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Poll question: What's your take on Michael Bloomberg?
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:22 PM
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1. don't care. nt.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:22 PM
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2. I understand why some Democrats would vote for him over Hillary.
I don't think I would though.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:36 PM
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8. I'm here in New York
and it's the Rockefeller republicans that want him to jump in the race. They hate all the puke candidates.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:22 PM
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3. the only thing that would take away a democrat victory.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:27 PM
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4. he is a billionaire who could "buy" the presidency.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:30 PM
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5. I have more respect for a "Do It Yourself" attitude than someone who hires a servant.
:silly:

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:34 PM
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7. You can't "buy" the Presidency. How'd that President Perot work out for you?
Candidates with money actually earn the enmity of the public, I think--look at all the scorn that Mittens gets for self-financing. Class resentment will always hurt more than money helps.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:46 PM
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13. What IF
Hillary knocks out Obama for the Democratic nomination, and Obama goes "Unity Party" and runs as Bloomie's VP?

Still feeling that hate? Hmmmm?


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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:53 PM
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15. Obama wouldn't do that. He's got such a bright future in the Dem party, he wouldn't
try to run against it. No doubt Bloomberg will find a running mate who doesn't have close ties or a future with his own party (that would be Hagel, who for all intents and purposes is dead to the Republican party, certainly here in Nebraska). Not worried about Obama, whether he wins or loses--he will certainly land on his feet and do what's right. And I don't "hate" Hillary, if that's what you're implying. Just don't want her as the Dem nominee. I'm fine with her serving in the Senate for as long as she wants to.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:16 PM
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20. That hate word was a reference to your "enmity of the public" comment, and had nothing to do with
Clinton. Go back and read your own post.

You were the one who pointed out that the rich are disliked for being rich--remember? I asked if you would still feel the hate if YOUR candidate was on the ticket--nothing to do with Clinton, at ALL...except that way too many people who call themselves Democrats, in a rather Freudian way, associate her name with that rather babyish 'Hate' word, thanks to Karl Rove and a bunch of his little water-carriers (some of them obtusely doing his work in this very forum) over the past many years.

Who woulda thought Mikey Bloomberg would so cavalierly switch parties just to avoid a crowded mayoral primary? And admit that he did it, basically, and WIN anyway?

People aren't as loyal to parties as they were in the old days. You see it here on DU all the time. The young are the least loyal of all.

Who knows what the deal is? Maybe the chit-chat over breakfast was "If you get thrashed on Super Tuesday, you can hop on my ticket" OR, "If you lose to Clinton and back me, I'll reward you BIG"--supposedly, it's cheaper if he picks his running mate NOW, but then again, Bloomberg's got the money to amend ballots if he has to....

From a WAPO story, reprinted at a cretinous site:

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jan/18/signs-point-to-presidential-run-by-bloomberg/

    People around Bloomberg have said that if he were to pull the trigger on an Oval Office run, it would happen sometime around March 5. That’s when the petitioning process to get on the ballot in Texas begins. He would need 74,108 signatures by May 12 for an independent run in that state. According to Richard Winger of Ballot Access News, if Bloomberg instead accepted the nomination of the Reform or Texas Independence parties, which have filed their intention to petition with the Texas secretary of state, he would have an additional week to gather only 43,991 signatures.

    For the major parties, under normal circumstances, getting on a state’s ballot can be difficult. For an independent challenger, the obstacles are even greater. Usually such a candidate is underfunded and out-lawyered. That wouldn’t be a worry for Bloomberg, who could spend $1 billion of his own money on a campaign.

    Value of early running mate

    And by having a running mate at the outset, rather than waiting until the late summer, when the Democrats and Republicans will nominate their presidential and vice presidential candidates, Bloomberg would be saved the headache of going back to all those states to amend the ballots to include his No. 2.

    The independent mayor has used his own jet to go from one high-profile forum to another to cultivate an image of nonpartisan success. A recent example was a meeting hosted by University of Oklahoma president and former senator David Boren, D-Okla., along with Hagel, Nunn and other possible vice presidential choices. All present decried Washington’s partisan gridlock. Bloomberg didn’t say much and didn’t take questions from the media.

    I’ll take Bloomberg at his word that he is not running. Those close to him say he truly hasn’t made up his mind. But this flurry of activity around him squares with my knowledge of the mayor as a deliberative chief executive who takes in as much information as possible before making a decision — even as subordinates stir the presidential pot.



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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:48 PM
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27. Well, to address the "hate" thing, sorry I jumped to conclusions.
I didn't say that I hated Bloomberg for his money--in fact, I'm probably one of the few people on DU who doesn't hold it against him at all, or see it as a huge advantage--in fact, he's really at a big disadvantage, no matter how anyone slices it. And the meeting with Obama was to reassure that he wouldn't run if Obama is the nominee, is my guess. Interesting article, by the way--thanks.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:59 PM
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18. Obama doesn't seem to be too dazzled by Bloomberg in these pics.
Does anyone know what this meeting was for/about?

They certainly weren't trying to keep it under wraps.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:17 PM
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21. No one talked. Bloomberg WANTED the media there. See the Cat-Canary look on his face? NT
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:24 PM
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23. Yeah - and it looks like Bloomberg was the enthusiastic Amway salesman
Obama was the poor guy who got caught in the net.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:33 PM
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6. Mixed bag. n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:37 PM
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9. I hope he runs. It will give the "centrists" a party that fits them.
He could fit right in with the DLC.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:37 PM
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10. That dipshit "Unity 08" campaign is getting free publicity I wish I could get for my issue campaigns
There's no real grassroots groundswell for Bloomberg. Certainly not like what was for Ross Perot. But he gets whole segments on PBS Newshour and the McLaughlin Group. Piss me off.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:18 PM
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22. the press has long hit that theme
I can remember editorial cartoons from the 1970s claiming that large swaths of the population hated both Carter and Reagan and claiming that was what fueled the campaign of John Anderson in 1980. Except for Perot though, people like Anderson and Nader have not done all that well. Anderson, like Perot, was included in the debates, but didn't have the money, I suppose to create his own party, nor buy infomercials.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:26 PM
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25. acknowledged...eom
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:38 PM
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11. Why I'd love to see him lose to Edwards in November. Thanks for asking. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:40 PM
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12. Other. Vraiment dangereux. nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:52 PM
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14. He is the anti-Huckabee for the corporate class.
If the GOP nominates Huckabee, the elite will pull their support from Huck and give it all to Bloomberg.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:55 PM
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16. Now that, I would cheer on. Anything that stops Huckabilly is fine with me.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:57 PM
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17. What is the difference (other than party) between Hillary and Bloomberg?
Serious question.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:04 PM
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19. He's more open about supporting the right of gays to marry than
any of our top three. Other than that, he was a Republican...but so was she. They both supported the Iraq war, but I don't know for certain whether he would continue it--she won't. Would have to wait and see what his platform is.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:26 PM
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24. Thanks.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 PM
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26. Glenn Greenwald has the goods on Bloomberg
Glenn Greenwald
Monday December 31, 2007
Michael Bloomberg: Trans-partisan savior
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html

Following along in David Broder's excited footsteps, Sam Roberts in The New York Times reports that Michael Bloomberg "is growing increasingly enchanted with the idea of an independent presidential bid, and his aides are aggressively laying the groundwork for him to run." And a handful of retired, mediocre politicians with no following are issuing self-absorbed, thug-like demands, complete with deadlines:
Former Senator David L. Boren of Oklahoma, who organized the session with former Senator Sam Nunn, a Democrat of Georgia, suggested in an interview that if the prospective major party nominees failed within two months to formally embrace bipartisanship and address the fundamental challenges facing the nation, "I would be among those who would urge Mr. Bloomberg to very seriously consider running for president as an independent."
Is it even theoretically possible for Democrats to "cooperate" more with Republicans than they've been doing since taking over control of Congress?

The NYT article quotes actor Sam Waterston of the painfully silly, substance-free Unity '08 group describing the promise of Bloomberg's candidacy as promoting "Unity08's principal goals of a bipartisan, nonpartisan, postpartisan ticket." The website Unite for Mike -- a grass-roots movement that now has 500 supporters! -- says that Bloomberg "has the vision, experience and passion of a true and demonstrated leader" and that Bloomberg can solve this problem: "Our international leadership has become confused and directionless. We are no longer the shining beacon of freedom and justice to our fellow nations."

Here's Bloomberg's record of Independence, Judgment, Competence, and Trans-partisan Wisdom. Consider how sterling his judgment is and how able he would be to make the world respect us again:

NYT, May 11, 2004:
Laura Bush and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg stood shoulder to shoulder yesterday in an appearance that may well dispel any lingering doubt as to the mayor's feelings about the president, or of the mayor's own political identity. . . .

here he was yesterday, throwing in his words of support for the president's decision to invade Iraq -- promoting one of the notions that is central to the rationale for the attack, that the conflict was justified by what happened on Sept. 11.

"Let me add something to that," Mr. Bloomberg said after Mrs. Bush gave her defense of her husband and his decision to go to war. "Don't forget that the war started not very many blocks from here."
Joe Conason, Salon, June 22, 2007:
Dating back to his infatuation with Bush, the mayor has always been an enthusiastic supporter of the war in Iraq. He marched lockstep in the Bush drive toward invasion when he addressed the United Nations General Assembly in September 2002: "Freedom comes at a price, and tragically, sometimes that price is the commitment to defend freedom by arms. America has been, is, and always will be willing to do its duty -- to sacrifice even its own blood, so that people everywhere can live as individuals responsible for their own destinies." (As Wayne Barrett once pointed out in the Village Voice, the man spouting this brave talk got out of the Vietnam draft because his feet are flat.)

Bloomberg's pro-war rhetoric dutifully echoed the White House line connecting Saddam Hussein with al-Qaida and 9/11, almost as if Karl Rove had programmed his brain. "I'm voting for George W. Bush and it's mainly because I think we have to strike back at terrorists," he said in September 2004. "To argue that Saddam Hussein wasn't a terrorist is ridiculous. He used mustard gas, or some kind of gas, against his own people."
Bloomberg's speech at the 2004 Republican National Convention:
I want to thank President Bush for supporting New York City and changing the homeland security funding formula and for leading the global war on terrorism.

(APPLAUSE)

The president deserves our support.

(APPLAUSE)

We are here to support him.

(APPLAUSE)

And I am here to support him.

(APPLAUSE)
NYT, January 29, 2004:
We are going to get George W. Bush re-elected as president of the United States! We are going to carry New York City and New York State. Everybody thinks I'm crazy, but I think we can do it.
Wayne Barrett, Village Voice, October 18, 2005:
Even though the City Council passed a resolution opposing the war, Bloomberg called an old friend, Paul Wolfowitz, to express his desire to host a ticker tape parade "to say thank you," apparently as unaware as the "Mission Accomplished" president that the troops would not be coming home for years. Bloomberg actually contributed $5 million to the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Affairs in the late '90s, when war architect Wolfowitz was dean. . . .

Even before the war, Bloomberg brought his mother and daughter to the United Nations, where he addressed the General Assembly a day after Bush did in September 2002. Echoing Bush's warnings that the U.S. would go it alone if the U.N. didn't act, Bloomberg "praised" Bush's war on terror "and offered support for an attack on Iraq," according to the Daily News.
Michael Bloomberg Press Release, July 17, 2006, as the Israeli bombing of Lebanon proceeded:
Israel rightly continues to defend itself from unprovoked attacks on innocent civilians, and the killing and abduction of Israeli soldiers by the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah. Let there be no doubt: Hamas and Hezbollah must return the Israeli soldiers they abducted and cease their attacks against Israel.

I have said time and again that you cannot negotiate when there is a gun to your head. The international community needs to send a clear message to these terrorist organizations -- and the countries that fund and support their reign of terror -- that these kinds of attacks on peaceful, democratic nations will not be tolerated. . . . .

I commend President Bush and his cabinet for their continued support of Israel and its right to defend itself. I deeply hope that the fighting will end soon, and that all the innocent people affected by this conflict will again be safe. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those soldiers who have fallen in combat, the brave sons and daughters of Israel who are defending Israel's freedom at this very moment, and with the people of Israel who are an inspiration to all of us as they continue to go about their lives in the face of such uncertainty.

I have always believed that the fate of Israel and the future of New York City are deeply connected. If Israel's democracy is compromised, so too are our freedoms here at home. A strong Israel means a strong America and a strong New York. And as Americans and New Yorkers, we must continue to stand with Israel as we have done for the past 58 years, and we must never lose our hope for peace.
Rolling Stone, August 22, 2006:
Bloomberg, in fact, identifies strongly with the defeated Democrat from Connecticut. "I think what they're doing to Joe Lieberman is a disgrace," the mayor volunteered when I met with him in his offices in July, shortly before anti-war bloggers helped Ned Lamont beat Lieberman in the primary. . . . A few days later, Bloomberg was offering to campaign for Lieberman.
He also is as enamored of government control, police powers and surveillance as anyone in the Bush administration. He is an unrestrained advocate and enforcer of the War on Drugs (despite his own acknowledged use of marijuana, of course) and advocates the creation of "a DNA or fingerprint database to track and verify all legal U.S. workers," about which the NY Civil Liberties Union said, with extreme understatement: "It doesn't sound like the free society we think we're living in. It will inevitably be used not just by employers but by law enforcement, government agencies, schools and all over the private sector."

Clearly, this is just exactly what our country desperately needs, what it is missing most -- a neoconservative, combat-avoiding, Bush-supporting, Middle-East-warmonger who sees U.S. and Israeli interests as indistinguishable and inextricably linked, with a fetish for ever-increasing government control and surveillance, and a background as a Wall St. billionaire. We just haven't had enough of those in our political culture. Our political system, more than anything, is missing the influence of people like that. That's why it's broken: not enough of those.

Bloomberg is basically just Rudy Giuliani with a billion or two dollars to spend to alter the election. When it comes to foreign policy, war-making and government power, he offers absolutely nothing that isn't found in destructive abundance among the most extremist precincts in the Republican Party, while his moderate to liberal stance on social issues would prevent him from actually winning the support of his natural GOP base.

In fact -- despite his steadfast neoconservatism -- it's hard to see how the candidacy of a divorced, unmarried, stridently pro-gun-control, pro-choice, socially liberal New York City billionaire would accomplish anything other than offering the Republicans their best hope of winning in 2008. All of this seems to be intended as punishment meted out by the Establishment to the Democrats -- using Bloomberg's billions as the weapon -- for not repudiating their loudmouth, restless liberal base strongly enough. That, more than anything, seems to be the oh-so-noble and trans-partisan purpose of David Broder, David Boren and Sam Nunn: to find a way to stifle the populist anger at our political establishment after 8 years of unrestrained Bush-Cheney devastation, increasingly represented (on the Democratic side) by the Scary, Angry, Intemperate John Edwards campaign.

A Bloomberg candidacy would have no purpose other than satisfy his bottomless personal lust for attention and bestow the wise old men threatening the country with his candidacy with some fleeting sense of rejuvenated relevance and wisdom. His political views are conventional in every way and he's little more than an establishment-enabling figurehead. The whole attraction to his candidacy has nothing to do with any issues or substance and everything to do with an empty addiction to vapid notions of Establishment harmony and a desire to exert control, whereby our Seriousness guardians devote themselves to a candidate for reasons largely unrelated to his policies or political views, thus proving themselves, as usual, to be the exact antithesis of actual seriousness.

-- Glenn Greenwald
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