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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:40 PM
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Mourning in America: The Reagan Years Were Enough to Make You Cry
Ronald Reagan did not become president on a platform of optimism or hope. In 1980, he sent George W. Bush to arrange a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the November elections. We knew about this at the time, because the president of Iran told the world about it shortly after he went into exile. This served to increase Americans' sense of despair. Recall how bad we felt when George W. Bush stole the 2000 election? That is how we felt when Reagan stole the 1980 election. Our highest national office had been hijacked, and there was nothing we could do about it. The only news network that would report the story was PBS.

Ronald Reagan had the help of the corporate media. ABC’s Nightline, the progenitor of the 24 hour news network, ran the headline “America held hostage” night after night, while host Ted Koppel (who would later remark, ironically, that “ABC is a pimple on the elephant’s behind”) reminded America that its saintly president Jimmy Carter was a wimp when it came to military action of the John Wayne-scorched earth variety. If Jimmy Carter could not keep a handful of embassy employees safe, how could he protect us from the nuclear bombs that the Soviet Union was sending our way? Seeing the news media become a paid political advocate for one party shattered more of our illusions. That lead to more despair.

Ronald Reagan ran an old fashioned Republican all fear all the time campaign. And administration. In the early 1980s, we literally lived in terror that each day would be our last. Movies featured end of the world scenarios. We watched Jane Alexander watch her world die around her. None of us expected to make it to the year 2000. The crazies who had stolen control of our government were bound and determined to build an arsenal capable of making Armageddon a reality. Every day could be our last. As the android Roy said in Ridley Scott’s futuristic film Blade Runner “Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.”

Drugs, sex and rock &roll became a way to escape from the constant anxiety and the terror that there was no tomorrow---until the AIDS epidemic struck. Too bad that the Reagan administration did nothing in the early days of the AIDS crisis when the spread of the disease might have been checked.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/08/EDG777163F1.DTL

A significant source of Reagan's support came from the newly identified religious right and the Moral Majority, a political-action group founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. AIDS became the tool, and gay men the target, for the politics of fear, hate and discrimination. Falwell said "AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals." Reagan's communications director Pat Buchanan argued that AIDS is "nature's revenge on gay men."


And so, Reagan waited years, until well into his second term to address the crisis. This would be a fitting place to mourn for those who died unnecessarily of HIV infection, because Ronald Reagan decided that it was politically expedient to let gay men suffer God’s wrath. And while we are at it, we can weep for the way that the progress in gay rights made in the 1970s was rolled back, because people feared this new disease which they did not understand and about which the federal government did nothing to reassure them. And cry for the nation’s blood supply which was tainted, leading to the deaths of hemophiliacs and surgical patients and premature infants and then intravenous drug users and now the current epidemic among women---especially Black, Hispanic and Native American women. We owe all of this to Ronald Reagan, because he decided that the best policy was to let the virus go unchecked so that it could infect as many gay men as possible.

While we are mourning, do not forget the lives that were ruined by crack cocaine, the new, more addicting form of the old favorite. Gary Webb attempted to tell the world that the Reagan-Bush administration was protecting cocaine importers whom it called allies in the war on communism in Central America.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html

The newly partisan news media squashed this story. The LAPD came close to busting these pushers, who had found a way to create a steady clientele with the creation of crack. However, the same illegal methods that made them lose the OJ Simpson case cost them their case against the CIA’s operatives.

Ironically, one of the most devastating effects of the crack cocaine epidemic was the way that the Reagan administration used it as the foundation of their War on Drugs aka their War on Black Folks . Here is an interesting document in which the author speculates that the crack baby epidemic was exaggerated to increase the perceived criminality of crack cocaine users, in order to justify two tiered sentencing and the changes in policy which made punishment rather than treatment the standard of care for users.

http://www.utmb.edu/addiction/Birth%20of%20the%20Crack%20Baby.pdf

The author points out that the War on Drugs has caused a White majority prison population to shift to a minority dominant prison population ( 49% Black, 27% Latino) and has increased the size of the U.S. prison population by ten times. Black account for 74% of all prison sentences for possession. Crack cocaine carries stiffer sentences than other drug charges, and 88% of those in jail for crack cocaine offenses are Black. (It should be noted that wealth disparity increases the health risk of the impoverished group. Health effects include increased anxiety, depression, violence including family violence, drug and alcohol use and depression. So, Reagan economic policies encouraged drug use among the people whom they were targeting for political oppression.)

This period during the Reagan and Bush presidencies presented not only a “retreat from racial justice” but also a period where the nation’s anti-black discourse was actually refocused into a nebulous anti-crime rhetoric. Such rhetoric was reinforced by deindustrialization and its impact on Blacks, a rising income inequality between the upper and working classes, a prevailing discourse of racialized welfare stereotypes, as well as dramatized media responses to the burgeoning trend of crack use. The result was that the image of the criminal was further associated with the inner city, street crime of poor, i.e. Black areas.


The conservatives who backed Reagan-Bush no doubt consider the War on Black Folks one of their greatest victories. In the 1970s, who could have conceived that in 1988, the photograph of an African-American male would frighten voters into selecting the Republican candidate? “Not in this country!” people would have said. “We have gotten over that kind of racism!”

Can we have a moment of silence for the Black civil rights movement, that so many worked so long and so hard for and which was set back deliberately by the combined weight of the federal government, including the U.S. Justice Department, Congress, Court system, news and entertainment media in the 1980s? They did not kill it, because you can never kill the human spirit, but Reagan did irreparable harm to individual men and women who should have benefited from the sacrifices of their parents.

Reagan was no friend of the women’s movement, either.

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1866

As this author points out, in addition to burying the ERA, discouraging action on sexual discrimination claims and drying up family planning money, Reagan attacked the working mother---which meant he attacked the nation’s children.

Reagan also publicly insulted single mothers raising children with the help of federal assistance by calling them "welfare queens," thus setting the stage for the dramatic retrenchment of aid to families headed by women. At the same time, Reagan refused to raise the minimum wage and instilled in the national psyche a belief that higher wages for the lowest level workers cost jobs.

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Then, as now, the largest group of minimum wage workers was adult women. Translation: more women and their children in poverty, more women holding two low-paying jobs to make ends meet and less food on the table, period. Well, all except catsup, which Reagan tried to have declared a vegetable as he cut school lunch programs.


Even textbook fascist countries praise women for struggling to feed their children. A nation that can openly hate its mothers, forcing them and their children to live in poverty through some kind of twisted puritanical belief that this is God’s rightful punishment is inhumane in the extreme.

This is not change. This is what Ann Coulter talks about when she says that she wants Jewish people to be “perfected”.

Right now, we should be crying for all those whom the Religious Right tried to “perfect” out of existence in the 1980s during the Reagan Administration, while Nancy Reagan ran her pretty little Pepsi Generation Morning in America campaign in 1984, like a Busby Berkley musical designed to make people forget about what was going on behind the cardboard cutout backdrop. It was Springtime for Hitler and Germany , except without the laughter.

When today’s Democrats praise the Reagan administration, they ignore the memories of the men, women and children who paid the price for being too poor or the wrong color or the wrong faith or gay. This kind of selective history is wrong. It forgets the working class and makes heroes of the tyrants, calling them “leaders” and dubbing their lies “visionary messages”.
Morning in America was a lie. A lie worthy of George Orwell’s 1984 . Anyone who seeks to perpetuate that lie in order to court voters is doing the people of this country a great disservice.

Here is some advice that even the Religious Right should be able to understand.

"When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things." I Cor. xiii. 11.


Democratic candidates, you do America no favors in letting them cling to their illusions. You may win a few votes with a song and dance promising happiness over the rainbow, but that voter will end up dissatisfied and anxious to try a new product next time, if he or she does not grow up (politically speaking) to the reality of the struggle by a small, wealth owning class to keep the rest of us poor and powerless. Real Morning in America will come when people wake up, not when they are lulled to sleep with more of the same old pretty campaign jingles.



PS The next time the Democrats are debating and the moderators ask a question about high death rates of young Black men from gun violence, rather than pandering to the NRA vote, try talking about the effect that income disparity has on death from homicide. A few ago a study found that a young African-American man in Harlem had a lower life expectancy than a young man in Bangladesh who was equally poor. The difference between the two? In Harlem, wealth disparity---knowing that you are poor and kept that way through oppression in a land of plenty---causes stress, anxiety, despair, anger, depression, suicidal tendencies and can lead to aggressive acts. If the same young man felt that he was valued by his society, he might not be so quick to put his future at risk.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:42 PM
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1. Good but tragic reading, McCamy. K&R!
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:42 PM
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2. BRAVO
Well said.

Ronald Reagan engaged in genocide with his silence.

Never forget: SILENCE = DEATH.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:44 PM
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3. k/r
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:54 PM
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4. Bravo for refusing to let Dems contribute to the whitewashing of US history
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:00 PM
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5. K&R for all the "Ronnies"
who are the kids who came of age in the 80s and don't remember what the country was like before that mean spirited piece of shit got into office.

The only homeless I saw in Boston through the 70s, even with the horrific economy, were alcoholics who'd been unable to raise the price of a bottle and a flop. The bottle always came first. Suddenly, homeless people were everywhere, both sexes, some with children, and we were supposed to accept it. The buildings where they'd lived, brownstone monstrosities from the last Gilded Age, had been bought, as many as fifty tenants evicted with no place to go, and gentrified to house a couple of yuppies.

"Fur lust" was a watchword in the city in the 80s, as all Reagan's yuppies strove to be conspicuously clad in acres of dead animals (I retaliated by making a fake fur coat that looks so real it gets me dirty looks in the health food store). They stepped over homeless families to get into the stores, sniffing on the way as if to check on how long it had been since the people they'd thrown into the street had had a bath.

Reagan's "boom" was money that pretty much stayed with the top and trickled no farther down than top management. The damage that man did to the tax code set that pattern into stone. Social services, never lavishly funded, were completely gutted. Flop houses quadrupled their rates and became "emergency housing" for the lucky few homeless families who were then subjected to all the wildlife the bums had left behind.

Reagan was evil, incarnate. Stupid is just getting the blame as all Reagan's policies come to full fruition. Never forget, when GOPs come in selling snake oil, the country gets poisoned. Reagan was their best salesman, ever.
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:54 PM
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65. There's a book called "All Souls: A Family Story from Southie"
It's about a large family living in the Old Colony Housing Project in Boston. There wasn't a father around most of the time. The family was on the rugged edge in the 70's. They all brought that Reagan's tickle down economics would lift them. Years later, they were still waiting for the tickle to get to them and their neighborhood was full of crack. The author had lost three of his brothers to violent death and one sister was permanently brain damaged.

I think it's the saddest book I have ever read.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:06 PM
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6. reading this reminds me of why I think Obama got a bad rap
about his Reagan comment. Obama didn't say Reagan was *right* -- he only said that Reagan fundamentally changed the direction of the country and of politics. And in that, Obama is right. That we deplore the change Reagan brought doesn't mean that it wasn't a monumental change.

I love to HOPE -- that Obama would be able to bring the same kind of fundamental, monumental change (in the opposite direction) if he is our nominee, and is elected.

I also agree with those who say that Clinton probably wouldn't be the same kind of "game changing" president, but she's a wily old bird, and I'd bet she'll get her way more often than not.

I still don't know whether Edwards would be a "game changer." He's saying the right things to "change the game" -- in a way that I believe it needs to be changed -- but I'm not convinced that he could deliver.

(In case it's not clear, I still haven't "picked" a candidate, and my primary's over. So I'll just go along with whoever the majority of Democrats pick, and fight like hell to get that nominee elected.)
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:26 PM
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7. You know, Andrew Jackson brought "change"---he sent my ancestors on the Trail of Tears
so that a bunch of Whites could prospect for gold in their land in Northern Georgia.

People forget stuff like that and treat Andrew Jackson as some kind of hero and have to be reminded that he purged the South of its rightful Native American inhabitants in ruthless ways that left many dead. They remember the War of 1812 and the Battle of New Orleans.

The pretext for sending the Cherokee away from their land---so that Whites could mine it for gold--would later be used to steal the Black Hills of Dakota from its Native American inhabitants. So, Jackson is the godfather of ethnic cleansing of Native Americans in the United States.

I am always surprised at how few people know this. I foresee that history is going to cleanse Reagan's legacy the same way that it has cleansed Jackson's.
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:49 PM
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10. I once floated the idea that we should take Jackson off the $20
All of my friends thought it was a horrendous idea. I said that if it's wrong to wear a Che Guevara shirt because he murdered innocent people, it is also wrong to use money which depicts a genocidal military leader. A lot of people said I should stop being holier-than-thou, but I don't understand what is arrogant about opposing the violent destruction of an entire ethnic group.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:54 PM
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23. Fine by me. I went on a trip in 2000 and paid my half Seminole half Celt friend
--for house sitting in cash, all $10s and $5s. She never, ever handles $20s if she can help it.
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peacock Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:09 AM
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37. That is all too true
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:13 AM
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45. Truth is a daughter of time...I hope in my lifetime, to see some of these facts
come to light
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:58 PM
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11. that's not all he said...and he didn't get a bad rap
"Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it."

"I think it's fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10 to 15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom."

:wtf: put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it?!?!

:wtf: the party of ideas, challenging conventional wisdom?!?!

in the context of what actually happened with reagan's trajectory of change, :wtf: was obama thinking?

we were ready for reagan's manipulation of the hostage situation? for union-busting? for iran-contra? tax cuts for the wealthy? ignoring a health care crisis?
we were ready for the war against black people and women?
the party of ideas? like stealing elections? like an illegal war? like demonizing gay people? those things sure as hell do "challenge conventional wisdom."
:wtf: was he thinking?!?!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:31 PM
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13. Could he have been thinking "What is the exact opposite of the 'Obama is a Black Muslim' slur?"
The one that appeared in Investors Business Daily an on-line financial rag on January 15,

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=285292746454291

right before he made this pronouncement, which he knew would be controversial and which he knew would get lots of MSM attention and which would drag his campaign back to the middle of the road? If so, he got it right but also very, very wrong historically speaking.

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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:32 PM
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15. makes sense
but he won't be able to keep the focus off that slur forever, no matter how much he invokes reagan.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:06 PM
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20. I think one of his Hollywood supporters gave him bum advise. The correct response
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 08:06 PM by McCamy Taylor
to "Obama is a Black Muslim" is "Obama embraces the legacy of MLK Jr." Not "Obama embraces the legacy of Ronald Reagan." The opposite of the Nation of Islam in the U.S. for most people is MLK Jr.'s movement, especially towards the end when he created his anti-poverty crusade and began working with unions and other minority groups. Dr. King put together a very inclusive movement.
Bonus points for bringing Brother Malcolm into the dialog as an example of someone who was alienated by the American experience but who developed a universal "all men are brothers" perspective when he encountered people of other nations---and was martyred for it.

It would take more work than citing Ronald Reagan, but it would be true and probably a lot closer to what Obama really thinks.

For Obama to go from "Black Muslim" to "Reagan" makes it seem as if he lost some important education in the way that Americans think when he was growing up. Is it possible that being in Indonesia during the 60s rather than the US kept him from grasping just how important that decade was to people of his age (my age, Olbermann's age)? He is going to need to understand U.S. mythology if he hopes to sway people to do things his way.

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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:59 AM
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35. You are right.
Obama seems not to have the same frames of cultural reference that others roughly his age do. I wonder whether Hawaii was also somewhat out of the mainstream as well.

I've had people say that he just doesn't seem American. His attachment to Kenya doesn't help, either, especially when it does not seem to be balanced by an attachment to Kansas.

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peacock Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:12 AM
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38. Exactly! Reagan was terrible & no Dem
would invoke him as an ideal/idol.
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peacock Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:08 AM
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36. Who offers the best plan for progress
as opposed to change, on the issues that face us? In my opinion, that candidate is John Edwards. To see his proposals, if one has not read them, please go to http://johnedwards.com/
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:32 PM
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8. A big K and R..
I hope you will post this again...maybe using the title "EVERYONE BORN AFTER 1962 NEEDS TO READ THIS!" (I use that year because I think one would have to be 18 to remember the true horror of ronnie).

This is an excellent history lesson. I lived those horrible '80's. I absolutely could not stand ronnie. To tell you the truth, when I look back, I really don't know how I lived through those 12 years of ronnie and papa.

1980 marked 'THE BEGINNING OF THE END' to me. All that had been done in the '60's and '70's to educate people into a state of tolerance was gone. I could literally feel it in my bones. I simply couldn't believe that Americans had elected a Hollywood b-rated actor to be our prez.

Ronnie killed American's ability to feel sympathy, never mind our tolerance of those different from ourselves. I guess once you do that, it was easy for W to come in and kill our Democracy...and as if what he already has done to us financially, just wait...it is going to get so bad, I don't even want to think about it.

All I want is to hold those responsible ACCOUNTABLE....I'd start with the S & P's top 500 CEOs. Sometimes I think: It's the Rothschild/Rockefeller/Rich white guys, Stupid! These are the ones who are ultimately responsible...but I would be happy to start with the CEOs. Or even the members of The Business Round Table.

Do you think the Extremely Wealthy of today have resulted in just too much in-breeding??? lol! All of that inherited wealth has come to them, yet they don't seem to have any idea of what to do with it except create death and destruction.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:38 PM
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9. David Rockefeller is supposed to be the one who bankrolled "Hostages for votes"
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:29 PM
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12. Sometimes I think that those
disgustly inherited wealthy guys look at and treat the world as their little game of checkers...and they can use their $$ to manipulate in any fashion they so desire. I wonder if there 'teams'...I wonder if there are somehow 'good' teams vs. 'bad' teams?

Probably more like 'bad' vs. 'evil.' lol.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:48 PM
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22. Point of order- Carter negotiated the hostage release
NOT raygun. raygun just took credit for it.
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peacock Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:59 AM
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43. Yes & Raygun & the Repugs
made a deal so release occured after the election. Very "patriotic", wasn´t it?

Then, when there was na investigation, Reagan, "couldn´t remember". Later it was said he had beginning Alzheimers at the time. I´m not so sure about THAT story either. Alzheimers is a terrible disease, mostly for the relatives and I am NOT making light of it, but I just wonder...
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:02 AM
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49. Carter made the deal
Part of the deal Carter made was that the release would happen after he was out of office so wouldn't get credit. And to Carter's credit he put the hostages safety over his public image.

raygun on the other hand was happy to dupe the American public with "optimistic" lies to take credit.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:11 PM
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64. You're right
There were times during those years when I'd stop in the middle of what I was doing, say to myself "My God- Ronald Reagan is president!" and I'd shake my head in disbelief.

A semi-popular song I heard yesterday that protested the Reagan Genocide Mass Murder Machine War on Everyone: Bruce Cockburn's "If I Had A Rocket Launcher."
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:30 PM
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14. Thank you for this. It is a necessary corrective to the airbrushed
colorized vaseline smeared lens view of the Reagan years that Corpomedia has been pushing down people's throats throats since the 80's.

It was a "call re-write" moment of history that we have never really recovered from.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:36 PM
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16. Thanks for This I Am Sick and Tired of Hearing About St Ronny of Raygun
It makes me ill, he caused so much misery to so many. I was in college while he was in office, and it sure was hard getting ANY job when I got out in '86. He did solidify my decision to be a democrat.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:58 PM
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17. And don't forget about...
all the "hope" he brought to Latin America.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:06 PM
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18. That is a tearjerker in itself. And so many war criminals from those days are in the current WH.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:13 PM
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27. Yup. What goes around comes around.
All the war criminals from that era and this era should be thrown in the maximum security prisons they built. But they wont.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:06 AM
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50. raygun "hope" = paying thugs to rape and murder nuns
good "mourning" in the Americas indeed
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:24 PM
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19. Thanks for the depressing memories. We need to remember these years
as they were. In a nutshell, the beginning of the mess we have now.
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:45 PM
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21. the raygun platform was war crimes, fear, and crush the poor
How anybody can label that "optimism" is beyond me.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:01 PM
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24. K&R.
The damage Reagan did is still with us.
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peacock Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:13 AM
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46. Damage to our environment
should not be forgotten. People made fun of Carter for saying we needed to save energy, during the oil crisis. Anyone remember that? What IF Carter had been reelected. Okay, that´s done and gone, but I would rather not go to the next what if. It may be too late for our existance to do so.

I have no children, but I do care for our planet, and Reagan and the Republicans after him have been pursuing a course that does NOT save it. Remember George Bush I motoring around on his speedboat while we were still having an energy crisis?

This is just one issue of many, but modern Republicans should NEVER be invoked as ideals by Democrats (the "modern" is noting the excepions of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt).

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:41 PM
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60. James Watts! "We will mine more, drill more, cut more timber."
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Nebulous Abstraction Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:06 PM
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25. Great post, well done...
That people continue to deify this dirtbag is one of the most enduring mysteries of our perverse political history. It seems that the Red, White and Retarded have taken to cleansing the record of The Gipper's rot-gut legacy with simplistic slogans, feelgood BS and revisionist denial. But when you consider that your typical right-winger has the attention span of a gnat and the critical thinking skills of an autistic, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that they would hold this shitheel in such high regard.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:11 PM
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26. War on drugs = crock of shit.
"President Bush says that we are losing the War On Drugs. You know what that implies? That there is a war going on and the people on drugs are winning it! A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! They're winning a war and they're fucked up!" - Bill Hicks
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:21 PM
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28. Obama's willing to perpetuate the rightwing myth of "Reagan's Greatness" to
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 09:22 PM by oasis
score points with a bunch of clueless knuckledraggers. He's gonna unite us all.:eyes:

What about the Obama ad claiming he's the one that will tell you the facts and not just what you want to hear?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 PM
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57. No one candidate has all the qualities I look for and each has done/said things I don't like...
But in my personal observations, Obama has said the most outrageous things, and many, many seeming small things that upset me most.

It's like death by a thousand cuts.

Hillary's not perfect by any means - but I trust and choose her. I have already chosen her in the Nevada Caucuses.

Unless either Obama has a sudden epiphany and chucks his handlers and really starts a LONG string of saying and doing the right things, or Hillary had a melt down and does/says something horrible, or one of her handlers does, this is my decision thru the elections.

However - my small part in this process is over. My job is done. I participated fully and completely in my caucuses. It is up to all the others out there whose time has not yet come to do their part.

Right now, I am firmly committed to November - and making sure a Democrat is in OUR White House - and then to see bush*, cheney and all the other WAR Criminals swining at the end of a rope just like Mousilini. I will not rest at all if they are allowed to simply walk away scott free for all their numerous CRIMES against all of us...
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:54 PM
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29. True ALL of that. n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:43 PM
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30. that evil bastard fooled a lot of people
sickening
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:44 PM
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31. As we suspected, neither Obama nor his followers know doodley-squat about Ronald Reagan.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 PM by Perry Logan
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:19 AM
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32. I remember being constantly under stress during the Reagan years - dreaming about nuclear holocaust
constantly.

Very oppressive.


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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:21 AM
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33. Exactly! We all knew we were going to die in a nuclear war.
It was the worst of times. These people who remember it as the best of times must have been high.
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CranialRectaLoopbak Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:36 AM
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34. They weren't high, they were "end-of-timers"
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:38 AM
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47. The DAY AFTER!!!
Are you afraid yet? You'd better be, because "bombing begins in five minutes".

Remember that little quote from fundamentalpatient Reagan, who I recall a few times hearing him say that as a Christian he fully believed the events of the Book of Revelation.

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

Living in fear. Of our lives. And our jobs. Gee, doesn't that sound vaguely familiar?

The less things change, the more we wish they fucking DID.

Doesn't look like it will this time around either, sorry to say.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:34 AM
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39. I remember my union taking three different wage and benefit concessions
to save our factory during the Reagan era. The company said each time that we made a concession it made the factory more competitive in the marketplace. The company never lowered the price of the product, instead they raised it and gave the company people big raises. They ended up closing the factory and moved operations to Mexico to exploit even cheaper labor than what they already had. I still hear today that the reason they closed the factory was because of the labor union. When in fact, the union bent over backwards to keep the plant open. This war against the working man all started right after Ronald Reagan destroyed the PATCO union. Fuck REAGAN and his trickle down economics.
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nursenwhite Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:48 AM
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55. Union Busting Reagan
That slimy shitbag started it all with the Air Traffic
Controllers and it rolled like a snowball in the Sierras!  I
am a Registered Nurse, I worked as a Supervisor for a large
Home Health Care Company during Reagan's Alzheimers Ridden
Presidency.  The far right concocted a scheme to break unions.
 They would print books and send them to corporate mongers to
"teach" management how to get rid of the union.  The
Company I worked for here in the east had one of our local
nursing homes on strike.  I walked into the office one day and
was told the 'close the door' so no one would hear.  He handed
me a notebook full of bullshit tactics to use to break the
union.  The outside cover said, "Management Training
Manual" for your eyes only".  I was told to read it
and it did not leave the managers office.  I was appalled at
what I read.  It listed in chapters how to "talk" to
the people about how bad unions were, how to disguise and
switch the facts, how to promote the company and degrade the
union people as "communists" of the worker.  It was
all hype and bullshit, and a lot of it came from guess where? 
The Department of Labor statistics that were twisted to fit
the agenda.  I took the book left it on the desk, and returned
to my job, I was TOLD to report back to the managers office
and told I would be going to this facility all next week to
work, cross the picket line and begin to talk to those who
were left there who had no choice but go to work.  I stepped
into his office, stated, I believe in unions, the work of all
people to collective bargain and here is my response to them,
take thier book, thier crooked ideas, their theiving ways and
I QUIT RIGHT NOW, I DO NOT CROSS PICKET LINES AND I DO NOT
TAKE PEOPLE'S JOBS FROM THEM!  THIS IS WHAT REAGAN MEANS TO
ME, LIES, DECEIT, THIEVERY AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS.  HE WAS THE
2ND WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY, THE WORST IS BUSH I AND II.
 THANK YOU
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:36 AM
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40. He was a typical Republican president - bad. /nt
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:45 AM
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41. k & r
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peacock Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:50 AM
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42. "it´s allright, it´s allright, if you´re
righteous it´s allright, if you have your hands in blood up to the elbows. You can always wash them clean, with Boraxo." (Malvina Reynolds, in a song in response to RR´s statement about his sending troops in to clear demonstrators protecting Peoples´Park).

Malvina Reynolds = Molly Ivins. I miss them both. Can´t speak for either of them but I think they would like JRE.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:07 AM
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44. Thank you! Nevada voters seem to agree too! I bet it's part of the reason Obama lost
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 08:07 AM by robbedvoter
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 PM
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58. That coincides with my own personal observations from them here in Henderson, NV...
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 10:11 AM
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48. Constructive Engagement ...don't forget that Raygun farce
His policy toward the apartheid regime in South Africa was to support it. He supported government sponsored terror and the disappearance and murder of many South Africans who opposed that illegal regime. He made derisive comments about Bishop Desmond Tutu to say nothing of his remarks about Nelson Mandela. He encouraged support of financial institutions in RSA who refused to hire people of color or kept them in disposable jobs. Many students and others protested this. Change in South Africa did not come about through raygun and his destructive engagement but through valiant struggle of the people of RSA.
He did the same for people of color at home as you have so well pointed out!

Let us not forget Iran/Contra.

Here at home, his environmental policies helped rape the land. He was the president that said "trees pollute".

His economic policies lead to hostile takeovers of many small business.

As far as I am concerned he is right up there with "W" on my worst presidents list.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:07 AM
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51. He was a serial killer in a business suit. May he rot in Hell!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:23 AM
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52. Enter Ronald Reagan and the start of full spectrum warfare on the middle class.
The opening salvo, the PATCO strike. Busting the Air Traffic Controllers union was the start of a multi front military style operation to drive wages down for all americans. Then we were told that Social Security was going broke, this represents the opening of a second front of the War on the Middle Class that resulted in the doubling of payroll taxes.

from:

http://rdanafox.blogspot.com/2006/11/tax-rates-middle-class.html
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:24 AM
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53. K&R .....I am SO glad to see this.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:42 AM
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54. The myth of Reagan lives on because of that damn "liberal media"
The news gerbils on all of the major media throw out the urban legends about him. Between the people old enough to have experienced the era (but too stupid to think for themselves) and those too young to know what the era was really like, the Limbaughs, Hannitys and the media reps callling themselves news reporters make an easy impression on them.

I think Reagan, ironically, was the person who started this whole myth about the liberal media.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:52 AM
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56. Wm Casey and his CapCities/ABC stock says it all. It's still Disneyland DC IMAO nt
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:06 PM
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59. Excellent, McCamy!
I remember growing up in these years, and I had forgotten how very scared I was of *something* out there, most of the time. The damn russians and their "nucular" weapons mostly.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:55 PM
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61. Thank God you wrote this!
Reagan was nothing more than a pathologically lying mass murderer. His reassuring soundbyte delivery glossed over the multiple murderous atrocities he committed. He was a Monster from Hell, and he & his treasonous cohorts hellped destroy our country. We are living in the wreckage. And the American people are still buying the cannonization of St. Ronnie the Senile.

For a good first-person view of the Reagan Administration's involvement in the expanded cocaine trade, buy Powderburns by Cel Castillo. Castillo was a DEA agent in the thick of the Central American drug wars. He witnessed things that made him start questioning Reagan and Bush's involvement in flooding our nation with coke. He lost his career because he couldn't leave it alone. Great book. As an ex-Miami resident and former long-term Federal drug-war inmate, the book rings true to me.

http://powderburns.org/
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:01 PM
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62. Also: "They Live"
Also: Check out the John Carpenter movie "They Live," in which our planet is invaded by disguised Republicans from another planet. Carpenter made this movie as an anti-Reagan wake-up call. All the more timely with today's current situations. It stars Roddy Piper, the wrestler, and has one of the best fight scenes in the movies.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:02 PM
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63. Candidates have the obligation of making themselves clear
Endless hours and threads are wasted on interpreting what the Candidates really 'meant' to say. Reagan always had an army of interpreters come out and 'clarify' what he said for years. Sometimes, when asked a particularly pointed question he would stand around saying "Well...", wagging his head while Nancy fed him lines. She told him what to say and out would come a bunch of his handlers to explain what he really meant.

Now I see Obama supporters doing this. Let the man speak for himself! Demand that he explain his own words and stop trying to justify or interpret his words as if you know what he really thinks. If he hasn't realized the public reaction to the bomb he dropped then he's not the intelligent man everyone thinks he is. In all fairness he may have had a bad moment or a simple mental fart, but he is selling himself as some great communicator, or as a messiah who will calm the savage beasts on both side of the aisle through his wonderful aura of perfect understanding and balance. Like everyone else he is accountable for what comes out of his mouth. They all are and those of us who want them to be something they aren't and try to convince others that we have some exclusive inside knowledge of their mental machinations are being foolish because we aren't holding them accountable.
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