*** Official Senate Judiciary Committee DOJ Hearing-Waterboarding***

[MiniMe]

on cspan1 today

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS


Kick it up, should be interesting

[MiniMe]

1. Going to the committee hearing now

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. What time will it start? n/t

[MiniMe]

4. 10am EST, right now

[Solly Mack]

3. K&R

[DemReadingDU]

5. starting now, need 1 more rec

Thank you

[L. Coyote]

99. # 10 accomplished. Check out the new design online at C-SPAN

http://c-span.org/

[Fredda Weinberg]

6. Ah, the smell of oversight in the morning! n/t

[Ian David]

20. Don't get your hopes up.

Learned helplessness
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learned helplessness is a psychological condition in which a human being or an animal has learned to believe that it is helpless in a particular situation. It has come to believe that it has no control over its situation and that whatever it does is futile. As a result, the human being or the animal will stay passive in the face of an unpleasant, harmful or damaging situation, even when it does actually have the power to change its circumstances. Learned helplessness theory is the view that depression results from a perceived lack of control over the events in one's life, which may result from prior exposure to (actually or apparently) uncontrollable negative events.

Learned helplessness is a well-established principle in psychology. It can be observed in the effect of inescapable punishment (such as electrical shock) on animal (and human) behaviour. Learned helplessness may also occur outside the laboratory, in everyday situations or environments in which people perceive (rightly or wrongly) that they have no control over what happens to them. Such environments may include repeated failures, dysfunctional childrearing, repeated mental, emotional and/or physical abuse, prison, school, war, disability, famine, and drought. A similar example is that of those concentration camp prisoners during the Holocaust who refused to care or fend for themselves (so-called Muselmänner). Present-day examples can be found in schools, mental institutions, orphanages, or long-term care facilities where the patients have failed or been stripped of agency for long enough to cause their feelings of inadequacy to persist.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness

[Fredda Weinberg]

44. Oh, I've seen the lab films ... but I'm too active for despair. I remember

the Watergate hearings (over the summer when I was out of school), Iran Contra (taking care of parents) ... even the Clinton impeachment. C-Span can be very entertaining as well as educational.

The point is ... we got hearings at all. Elections matter.

[MiniMe]

7. Leahy testifying

[Solly Mack]

8. Leahy speaking. No demonstrations, for or against, for any positions

they will be removed

[Solly Mack]

9. speaking on the damages done over the last 7 years (Leahy)

[Solly Mack]

10. Leahy - the complicity of the justice department

[Solly Mack]

12. Leahy - the costs have been enormous (to the rule of law, etc)

[Solly Mack]

13. Now speaking of the secret "legal" memos

[Solly Mack]

16. mentioning the CIA interrogation tapes

[Solly Mack]

17. and that's why Bush/Cheney SHOULD BE prosecuted (Me)

[MiniMe]

11. Talking about the administration thinking they are above the law

[MiniMe]

14. Called Gonzo a "crisis of leadership"

Keeps mentioning bipartisan effort

[MiniMe]

15. Can we get 1 more rec?

Thanks

[MiniMe]

18. Leahy going OFF on waterboarding being torture for hundreds of years

[MiniMe]

19. Specter up

[Solly Mack]

21. Specter speaking now: "you brought a new tone to the" DOJ

snicker

[Solly Mack]

22. Now saying the standard and all too often repeated "no one is above the law"

though evidence suggest otherwise considering Bush/Cheney have never been held accountable for breaking the law

[Solly Mack]

24. "waterboarding should be banned" IT IS ALREADY BANNED

because torture IS already illegal

[MiniMe]

25. Yup, he left that part out

[MiniMe]

23. Solly, I'm getting the feeling that we are talking to ourselves

[Solly Mack]

26. lol! But you're great to talk to, so it's all good!

[MiniMe]

28. Awww, thanks

[annabanana]

29. I'm here too. . . n/t

[MiniMe]

34. Yay. I was feeling a little lonely in here.

But Solly kept me good company.

[Solly Mack]

35. YAY!!!!!

I knew you would be :)

[DemReadingDU]

31. Thanks for carrying on while I let the dog out

:)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

113. Who? Who?

Bling! Bling!

[SIMPLYB1980]

116. LMAO!

:spray:

[MiniMe]

27. Waterboarding is a violation of international law, but the President may use his article 2 powers

:wtf:

[Solly Mack]

41. I know, right! the idea that "torture can be Constitutional" is just plain bullshit

[Solly Mack]

30. NO...it is NOT a "complex subject". NO TORTURE. PERIOD. EVER.

[Catshrink]

32. Thank you for your excellent "reporting"

you may feel you're talking to each other only, but you're providing a valuable news source to those of us who can't access cspan at work.

:hi:

[ncrainbowgrrl]

38. Agreed!

We're watching the hearings through your reporting! Thanks!

[MiniMe]

43. Thanks. You start to wonder when you don't get feedback

Now we know we are not alone.

[annabanana]

33. Muk's posture is defensive already. . .n/t

[annabanana]

36. He's being sworn in now

[MiniMe]

37. Mukasey being sworn in

[MiniMe]

40. Starting already - I've only been here a short period of time

[annabanana]

39. Muk's opening statement now

[annabanana]

42. First thing out of his mouthy?.. "I've been here less than 3 months

[annabanana]

45. "The interests of the Executive branch & leg are in tension

[MiniMe]

49. The only interests of the Exec Branch is for them to keep their asses out of jail!

[MiniMe]

46. must provide retro immunity

BS

[Solly Mack]

47. Mukasey opens up defending the unitary executive in cloaked

language of the "robust" separation of powers

moves right into immunity for telecoms

[Solly Mack]

54. Speaking on water boarding...LOL now claiming waterboarding is not

part of the CURRENT program...so he can't speak on it

and he can't say if it could be/would be

and NOW he's talking about the "safeguards" that would be used to use starboarding

[Solly Mack]

65. NO, you torture enabler, "reasonable" people can not disagree

on the subject of torture...reasonable people don't support torture

Mukasey just told them - fuck you, I won't be answering questions on waterboarding

[annabanana]

48. Doing G's bidding: Asking for swift passage of FISA bill

[SpiralHawk]

50. k and r - with deep appreciation

keep on blogging - Mega thanks

[annabanana]

51. He says waterboarding isn't an "authorized" technique..

[MiniMe]

52. Hmmm, trying to say that waterboarding is not part of the current program

And that it is not approved. ???

[annabanana]

53. "waterboarding is not and may not be currently used" . still not saying

legal or not, since it's "not authorized"

[annabanana]

55. He claims it is NOT an easy question. . .

[Catshrink]

62. Let's waterboard him and see if it gets any easier for him.

[MiniMe]

56. Calls it a highly classified program

[annabanana]

57. He doesn't see circumstances today that would require an answer

[MiniMe]

58. I can't wait until the questioning begins

[annabanana]

59. Leahy now

[MiniMe]

60. Leahy up

[annabanana]

61. brings up McConnels.. "If it was done to me = torture" statement

[annabanana]

63. Is waterboarding an AMERICAN illegal?

[MiniMe]

64. Mentions that McConnell said that WatBrd is torture, and he doesn't understand

the hypocrisy

[annabanana]

66. I can't answer BECAUSE I'm the AG. . oh brother

[MiniMe]

67. Damn, "I'm the attorney general and they aren't, they are just expressing a view"

[annabanana]

68. HEY - ask him under what circumstances it WOULD be legal. . .

[MiniMe]

69. Leahy: State Department, Army, international, etc thinks it is torture

Disapointed in Mukasey's answer

[annabanana]

70. And the danger to OUR soldiers when THEY"RE captured?

[annabanana]

74. (good smackdown Senator!)

[Solly Mack]

71. Hear that? Mukasey is using Bush's line...that they don't have rights

so torture is OK

[MiniMe]

72. Going into FISA and the telephone bills

[annabanana]

73. Now Leahy bringing up unpaid FBI phone bills.... HA!

[annabanana]

76. apparently a "clerical error". . giggle

[MiniMe]

75. If its that important, why did we screw up and not pay the bills and get phone lines cut off

[MiniMe]

77. Mukasey is much smoother than Gonzo

But he is starting to stutter just a little.

[annabanana]

78. Muk's not "looking into it".. he delegated apparently...

[Solly Mack]

79. Mukasey is chapping my ass red

and I blame those who allowed this piece of shit to get nod

[annabanana]

80. He claims to be "hands off"

[annabanana]

81. Oooo. . looking into his personal finances!

[MiniMe]

82. He's worried about corporations being destroyed??

Give me a break. If they break the law, your job is to prosecute

[VP505]

83. Well, well

looks we have Gonzo redux, doing the Bu$Co two step.

[annabanana]

84. Arlen up

[MiniMe]

85. We're looking at the problem

Yeah right, look over there, there is a problem. Next.

[annabanana]

86. Asking basically must the President obey national and international statutes?

[Solly Mack]

87. Somebody needs an enhanced attitude adjustment

and I'm sure that somebody wouldn't call it assault...I'm sure that somebody wouldn't think he could even comment on it since it's been discontinued

[Solly Mack]

92. NO..and it isn't NOW unlawful...it has been unlawful for years and years and years

[Solly Mack]

98. Damn...impeach Mukasey and smack everyone who allowed him to be AG

[MiniMe]

88. Arlen reading a statement by a former ?AG or assistnt AG

Is there a legit argument that the Pres has article 2 powers to authorize torture

[annabanana]

89. Is there a ligit arguement that the Pres has "article 2 powers" for torture

[MiniMe]

90. Again, torture is illegal in America

[annabanana]

91. Muk "can't imagine this pres doing that"

[annabanana]

93. Arlen says "Oh yes he did"

[VP505]

94. Arlen asking

embarrassing questions, LOL.

[MiniMe]

95. Muk not addressing if * is in violation of statutes, just says not going forward

[MiniMe]

Muk not addressing if * is in violation of statutes, just says not going forward

[annabanana]

96. Muk is muffling the answer. . i.e. not answering

[annabanana]

97. "We're not getting very far with this so now we'll go to the immunity issure"

[VP505]

100. Flat refusal,

I like that description

[MiniMe]

101. Talking about order about tape destruction

[MiniMe]

104. Muk says that he did not see the order, and not sure if they can appeal

[Justpat]

102. This bastard won't answer anything.

He refuses to say Bush engaged in illegal activity although Specter shows
plain evidence he did.

What a &*%$ing bastard. Another Gonzo type sold out to his masters.

[annabanana]

103. Judge Kennedy re destroyed tapes... Muk "hasn't seen the order"

[MiniMe]

105. Now we know where all the oil is going

It is go grease up these bastards when they testify before congress.

[Solly Mack]

106. I'm becoming physically ill listening to this

[Justpat]

107. Explain to me again why this guy was approved??? n/t

[atreides1]

115. Because

DiFi and Chucky thought he was a better choice then the acting AG, and they didn't see anything wrong with the Mukster, that's why!!!

[Jack Rabbit]

108. Waterboarding -- Spanish Inquisition-approved enhanced interrogation technique

Barnhrd.nl (Holland)

It was considered an excellent way to get witches and heretics to confess. That should tell any one all he needs to know about the kind of accurate information gained from torture.

[MiniMe]

109. Arlan - Why shouldn't the WT be considered by the judiciary

[MiniMe]

110. Damn, Muk's answer is that because then everybody would know

[annabanana]

111. Thread #2 up!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2791095

[Justpat]

112. Sonofabitch.

9/11! It enables der Fhurer to do anything to keep us safe. Can't tie up pres. in
litigation.

Damn, damn, damn this guy.

[L. Coyote]

114. Kennedy is asking "Would waterboarding be Torture?" M: "I remember studying Latin..."

Yeah, I remember Latin class was torture too...... :rofl: and I should not be! This is serious, and yet up is down and down is up in DC!