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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:22 PM
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No Words of Praise for William F. Buckley Jr.
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 10:23 PM by McCamy Taylor
Oh my. Chris “Tweety” Matthews of MSNBC and Peggy Noonan of the Wall Street Journal waxing poetical about their indoctrination into High Brow Conservativism by William F. Buckley Jr., who has shuffled off this mortal coil. For those of us who think that the Queen’s English will suffice, that means Buckley is dead.

No surprises from Peggy Noonan, former Reagan speech writer, but did Tweety really want to reveal that as a teenager he would search the suburban drug stores for copies of The National Review to broaden his mind? Maybe you had to encounter Buckley as an adolescent to admire his wordy charms. Or maybe it was a generational thing. I was born in 1959, and I watched him on television as I was growing up in the 1960’s. To me, he represented everything that respectable Democrats opposed. What Matthews refers to as a “new Conservatism” which rejected isolationism and anti-Semitism in the 1950s had become a very old kind of American Imperialism by the 1960s. Anti-Communism and Pro-Israel policies have been the best friends of U.S. oil companies, facilitating their attempts to steal the crude of third world countries for over half a century. If the U.S. military could not claim that it was stepping in to protect native peoples from Godless communism, how could we secure their oil fields for the progeny of Standard Oil?

My favorite memory of William F. Buckley Jr. was his conflicted state when he interviewed a left wing priest. Good Catholic meets Good Conservative. No contest. Religion trumps ideology. That is why the Religious Right was created. The right wing was losing too many hearts and minds to bone fide spiritual movements, which offered satisfying answers and solutions to life’s problems---more satisfying than napalm anyway. So, a bogus form of Christianity was created in which it is a sin to keep a fertilized egg from implanting but Jesus cheers every time a Muslim has his head blown off.

No wonder Buckley disavowed the latest “conservative” trends. Now that he is dead, all his little bastard ideological children will be rushing to claim their share of the inheritance. People like Tweety.

Pardon me now, while I speak badly of the dead. Maybe it is because I am from the South, where great orators are a dime a dozen, but I never could understand what all the fuss was about. Buckley mumbled. And he violated the first rule of communication which is make sure that your audience understands your message in a visceral as well as intellectual way. I think maybe he did not want to have a connection with the “first 2000 names in the Boston phone book” even though he said (and Tweety seemed just thrilled when he quoted)

“I would rather be governed by the first 2000 names in the Boston phone book than by the 2000 members of the faculty of Harvard University.”


Check out the contrast between Buckley and Gore Vidal who were both asked to provide political commentary about what to expect from a Richard Nixon presidency in November 1968.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzjZrtqCIw

Buckley didn’t just get it wrong (the key word there among all the extraneous words is “air” as in lots and lots of air), he got it wrong in a droning, monotone that might be a cross between James Joyce and Tennessee Williams if there was a lilt to his voice and a hint of poetry in his words. He sounds like a vice officer practicing hip jargon before going undercover.

Vidal, in contrast, did the job he was hired to do. He presented a very accurate assessment of Richard Nixon and the direction which the country would take under his leadership.

Here is something for admirers of Buckley and his “new” “intellectual” conservatism to chew on. It is a quote from the National Review from a 1957 editorial:

http://www.amren.com/ar/2000/09/index.html#cover

“The central question that emerges … is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists.”

“National Review believes that the South’s premises are correct… It is more important for the community, anywhere in the world, to affirm and live by civilized standards, than to bow to the demands of the numerical majority.”

“The South confronts one grave moral challenge. It must not exploit the fact of Negro backwardness to preserve the Negro as a servile class… Let the South never permit itself to do this. So long as it is merely asserting the right to impose superior mores for whatever period it takes to effect a genuine cultural equality between the races, and so long as it does so by humane and charitable means, the South is in step with civilization, as is the Congress that permits it to function.”


So, did a thrill go up Tweety’s thigh when he read this good old fashioned Southern racist hooey, all prettied up with fancy words from William F. Buckley’s thesaurus, the one that was supposed to anesthetize the reader (or listener) to the crypto-fascist propaganda that he was spouting?

See Buckley lose his cool when he is called what he really is by Gore Vidal at the 1968 Democratic Convention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8

Look in Buckley’s eyes as he makes his threat of bodily violence against the laughing Vidal. For just a moment, you can see the jack booted thug that lived inside the too cool for school conservative pundit. No one writes words like those above without having a load of hate in his heart.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:28 PM
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1. Ewww

Yeah, it was all about "superiority" with him.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:29 PM
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2. Kick. Interesting. Want to check links later. nt
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:30 PM
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3. Buckley was a pig.
A homophobic pig at that.

I'm not happy or sad at his death.

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Jeffro40 Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:46 PM
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14. You're as bad as him when you say that
He was a great writer - even if you didnt' like him.

Can't you just say RIP and leave it at that?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:19 PM
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21. I'm as bad as him when I say that? LOL.

What I say is TRUE. I don't care if he was a great writer any more than I care that John Wayne Gacy was a great clown.



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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:46 PM
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24. Hateful vitriol does not a great writer make.
Your literary tastes are... peculiar.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:02 PM
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51. What is so bad about having an honest opinion?
The poster did not claim that Buckley wasn't a great writer - he issued his opinion that Buckley was a homophobic pig. The poster was just being honest and expressing an opinion that I am sure he held long before Buckley's death.

He had enough respect to comment on neither being happy nor sad at his death. And really, that says it all. There is no need to idolize the man just because he died and there is no reason to celebrate his death.
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ArfDogMNO Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:48 PM
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55. No, people cannot just let the dead lie, even a few hours.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:49 PM by ArfDogMNO
Both DU and FR are pretty much the same on this, which is of course a raw expression of emotion uncensored by normal social inhibitions which one follows to avoid looking like a totally worthless piece of trash in front of their peers, but I will note that FR has a modicum of people asking for decent comments on death threads. Here you and I and one other are alone so far as I can see.

I would get some satisfaction out of seeing the responses of posters of the more vile posts on same-day-death threads on both FR and DU have deaths in their own family posted on the forums and subjected to similar comments/critiques on day 1. Maybe a few of the posters would get it.
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Outlier Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:30 PM
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69. If you want
people to say nice things about you when you die, you should do nice things when you are alive. I doubt Buckley would care what a bunch of du'ers think anyway.

I don't understand the respect the dead mentality. Do something respectful, or something you can be proud of when you are alive, if the otherside says bad things about you when you die, you would probably take pride in that, and have been relevant. I don't think you can ask for much more.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:38 PM
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70. He lied when he was alive, and is continuing to lie now.
We're not changing that. No one who cared about him personally is likely to read this thread, or to have grounds for complaint about anything posted here.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:03 AM
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66. "...he was a great writer..."
Gasbag meet douche bag.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:28 AM
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42. I'm not a fan of grave dancing, but his comments about tattooing those
with AIDS will resonate with me forever. It was hateful when he said it and it's hateful now.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:04 PM
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52. Well said.
It is nice to see a response from someone that, obviously, held a very low opinion of the person yet does not feel the need to celebrate in someone's death.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:30 PM
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4. Ever since I first became aware of Buckley my overwhelming reaction
to him was that I wanted to plant one of my size 13's right in the middle of his prissy mouth.

I would never wish for anybody's death but now that this miserable piece of shit has croaked, my only regret is I never got to do what I wanted.

Fuck him, I ain't sad he's dead.


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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:36 PM
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8. You can still get 'im with the size 13's
It'll just be on top of his grave. Piss on him for me too, while you're at it :D
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:25 AM
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35. I share your sentiments, if not your size 13's.
I wear a very average woman's size 7 shoe. But William Buckley's supercilious drawl has made me want to puke ever since I first became aware of him in the 1960s. I just can't bring myself to feel sad about his death.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:31 PM
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5. Gore is always on the right side of things. We've been so lucky to have him.
He makes me sorry I'm not a 30 year old gay man. :)

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:45 PM
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11. LOL!
Can help somehow? :D


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:50 PM
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46. Yes, yes . . . though in past decades we've had to wait too long for
his commentary --- finding it not often enough!!!


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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:34 PM
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6. My God how I despised that pompous ass.
Good riddance to bad trash.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:34 PM
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7. Buckley did do one great thing...
He died. Say hello to Reverend Falwell in Hell, you degenerate doltish windbag.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:36 PM
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9. Ahem. You said:
Anti-Communism and Pro-Israel policies have been the best friends of U.S. oil companies, facilitating their attempts to steal the crude of third world countries for over half a century.


Ahh yess...the pro-Israel oil companies.

What. fucking. planet. are. you. from?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:45 PM
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13. Not pro-Israeli PEOPLE. Pro "we gotta go invade oil rich Muslim Middle Eastern
nations that we can accuse of threatening the sovereignty of the State of Israel" oil companies. You know, like Iran. Because it says in the Bible that God wants all the world's oil to be under the control of someone with the last name Rockefeller.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:44 PM
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10. Are we allowed to sing "Ding Dong! the Witch is Dead"...
now that one of the Flying Monkey Right has deprived us of his company?
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Jeffro40 Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:45 PM
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12. He was a great writer
even if we didn't agree with him - he did have talent. We can give him that and say RIP. Calling him a PIG is just stupid and cruel (and as bad as he was).
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:47 PM
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15. It is unfair to swine. I don't know any cryptofascist pigs. Animals tend to be apolitical.
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Archie_Leach Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:08 AM
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36. rightwingreactionary SH!T-FOR-BRAINS.....isn't the terms "right

wing reactionary and "sh!t for brains" REDUNDANT.....

FOR rightwing reactionary SH!T-FOR-BRAINS (isn't the terms 'rightwing reactionary' and 'sh!t-for-brains' REDUNDANT????): "an effete corps of impudent snobs" is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH..... BUT... ****WHEN**** william f. Fuckley "GIVES THE REVELATION"..... well HELL.... "god hasn't spoken a truer truism....."

RIGHTWING REACTIONARY SH!T-FOR-BRAINS (isn't the terms 'rightwing reactionary' and 'sh!t-for-brains' REDUNDANT????) = EXACTLY THAT......



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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:51 PM
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16. me thinks Gore may have hit a real nerve with his remarks of
cryptofascist pigs. It truly looks like he was going to swing at Gore; and how calm and cool Gore was about it. Beautiful!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:52 PM
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47. Buckley needed desperately to shut down what Gore was so intelligently saying --- !!!
Buckley couldn't stand it --- !!!

The TRUTH being said in public --- !!!

Really angered the old right-wing Nazi ---
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ArfDogMNO Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:57 PM
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17. Kicking the dead is very classy ntxt
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:01 PM
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19. Was he classy when he defended McCarthy?
Or advocated the branding of AIDS patients?

Or defending segregation?

Or championing the disenfranchisement of voters?

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:22 PM
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22. Exactly.
And who cares if he was "a great writer" if his writing was advocating total crap right-wing hate and filth.



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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:47 PM
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25. We've got so many freaking trolls on this board right now
makes me sick
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ArfDogMNO Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:43 PM
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54. Troll = someone who thinks it is trashy to kick the dead AS SOON AS THE NEWS BREAKS
People with basic social skills know to at least wait a week or so before openly saying how glad they are that the sob they hated so much is dead. The internet is particularly bad about removing most social inhibitions from people (assuming they have them), however.

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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:28 PM
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58. Troll = someone who praises a dead Reich Wing Asshole on
a progressive board.

:spank:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:31 PM
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23. well He thought he was classy
I don't want to be in that category. Truth be told the world is a better place today.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:49 PM
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26. Classier than praising a hateful lunatic. -nt
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:58 PM
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18. No tears here....
...when I was growing up, I knew a lot of crypto-fascists who hung on to every word he said. Buh-bye.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:04 PM
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20. he was a right wing wack job
when being a right wing wack job wasn't cool
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:50 PM
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27. Excuse me but the man wasn't eloquent. He just bloviated
BS in English accented "big" words, but never said anything important or even anything you could follow and I did know the meaning of the words he spoke. The content was a different matter and often not more intelligible than our moron in situ known as GWB. I never could stand him myself. I wish satirists of the SNL variety would have picked up on this and made fun of him. Yeah, my condolescences to loved ones but the man really was an ass and not the intellectual he was praised as being.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:54 PM
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29. I never understood the accent
where did he pick that up from? He was born in the U.S. and as far as I could tell from anything I ever read, he never live in Britain or anything. It always struck me as incredibly phony that he'd speak that way.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:57 PM
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30. Thank Apollo somebody finally said it...
...the "great writer" line has been much over-used on this site tonight.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 11:52 PM
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28. His comments on Whites in the South wreak of modern colonialism...
This is from a paper I wrote on modern colonialism, American Indians and the war in Iraq. I will be submitting it to a prominent American Indian academic journal in the next week:

"Whiteness is the standard. That’s the basis of white supremacy. It is the belief that being white, all by itself, holds cultural superiority. All other cultures are inferior, and exist to serve whites, and it is even necessary that these lesser cultures stay under white control. This concept is colonialism, the control of one power over a dependent people, and the primary ideology of colonialism is white supremacy. An ideology, in this case, is a formal set of beliefs and ideas about humans and cultures that is promoted by the ruling class in order to preserve, and/or justify, their own privileged position in society. And since the ideology is white supremacy, then whiteness is the ultimate standard by which all others are judged. This has definite ramifications for the people who are subjugated to colonial powers. War. Genocide. Cultural destruction. Socioeconomic strife."
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:11 AM
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31. And white supremicists all suffer from raging inferiority complexes.
In the South in 1957, few respectable intellectuals or academicians would have been caught dead writing what Buckley wrote for the National Review. That was the bullshit the corporate masters spoon fed to White workers to split them from minority workers to keep them divided to keep labor unions out of the South and to keep African-American wages depressed which kept all workers' wages depressed.

I'll bet that Buckley learned everything he thought he knew at his daddy's knee. He just dressed it up to make it sound fresh and new, so that daddy would approve of him.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:55 PM
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48. Which reminds me of Rep. Charles Rangel's comments on Bush . . .
that Bush, himself, is one of the greatest arguments against white supremacy --- !!

That's close ---
but the tape of Rangel saying it is priceless!!!


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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:47 AM
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32. And let's not forget
he was a major contributor to Joe Lieberman's first senate campaign as he thought Lowell Weiker, the Republican incumbent, was too liberal.
Perhaps putting the Quisling Lieberman in the Senate was his worst offense to America.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:00 AM
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33. A more genteel Republican asshole!
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:13 AM
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34. Great post! Buckley's persona was basically...
Trying to outdo the dreaded "acedemic liberal elites" with his own form of acedemic elite redoric. Problem was that the true liberal acedemics have actual facts and empirical data to back up there assertions whereas Buckley just took shit hyperbolie and dressed it up in flowery language to make it seem legit. Such is the tactic of pushing fascist propaganda that has no merit to stand on its own.

Funny thing is that today's Limpballs and Insannitys decry such elitist attitudes.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:31 AM
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37. All of the so called right wing intellectuals are a couple of beer cans short of a six pack.
You have to be when you start out with a flawed premise, such as people strive to live in fear and misery. No one starts that way. Society has to crush children under its boot heel for a very long time to get its citizens to that state.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:57 AM
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38. Great post n/t
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:51 AM
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39. Terrible post,
you, you...Hijacker!

Thanks to you "my" threads gone dead-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2930390

(I think I love you, McCamy Taylor.)
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:53 AM
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40. Buckley proves one of my theorems: conservatives have no idea how creepy they are.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:59 PM
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50. ...but they have been running our government as CIA and wealthy elites ---
with hosting jobs on PBS ---

Milton Freedman?
and a number of others ---
all foisted on the American public by PBS ---


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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:18 AM
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41. I always thought Buckley was weird.
He came on like an arrogant Boston blue blood and always looked to me like he had slept in his suit. He was essentially a well spoken, seemingly educated, red neck asshole in a dirty suit. Smug, delusional and wrong on everything. The very model of a modern day conservative. Some things never change.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:35 AM
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43. I remember seeing him on Firing Line, and I hated his eyes....
he'd open them wide, then half close them,......just gave me the creeps. :scared:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:57 PM
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49. REMEMBER, it was Public Broadcasting System which brought us Buckley --- !!!
Compliments of the decades ago take over of PBS ---!!!

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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:57 AM
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44. Another elitist asswipe born to wealth and privilege that never had a clue about the real world.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:40 AM
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45. My take on the BUCKster solidified during the NIXON era
When it was plain to everybody except lunatic fringe wingnuts what a criminal piece of shit Tricky the Dick was. So here would come BUCKed with a pretentious load of crap laying out each criminal point, then twisting himself into pretzels to convince everybody that it really wasn't criminal at all. It was always the same excrement(! O.K., that completes the image!1).
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:06 PM
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53. Dustin Hoffman used a bit of Buckley in creating his character in Hook:
"What interested me was (Hook's) combination of violence and effeteness, and Buckley came to mind-in a nice way...He's bright and educated, but there's something scary there."
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:01 PM
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56. ttt n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:13 PM
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57. Though Vidal was his nemesis, the opposite of Buckley is William Burroughs
Burroughs comes to mind because he had a hard to place drawl---in his case a combo of Midwestern/prep school/Harvard and because he continued to dress "square" even when he was the height of "hip"--both he and Buckley looked like undercover cops---and because he was a social critic. But the similarity ends there. Burroughs was an artist and creative thinker who encouraged the growth of American culture, while Buckley seemed determined to stand in its way. The result was Burroughs always had laughter behind his eyes and words and Buckley always had pent up hostility and frustration.


Here is Burroughs on SNL at the same time that Buckley was hosting his snooze fest on PBS. Note how the audience just loves Burroughs. He could always connect, no matter how old he got.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1U4EJdtgs

Here is Burroughs from "Commissioner of Sewers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Urn2ryLwI&feature=related

In The Marriage of Heaven and Hell Blake writes

The Giants who formed this world into its sensual existence and now seem to live in it in chains, are in truth the causes of its life & the sources of all activity, but the chains are the cunning of weak and tame minds which have power to resist energy, according to the proverb, the weak in courage is strong in cunning.
Thus one portion of being is the Prolific, the other the Devouring: to the devourer it seems as if the producer was in his chains, but it is not so, he only takes portions of existence and fancies that the whole.
But the Prolific would cease to be Prolific unless the Devourer, as a sea, recieved the excess of his delights.
Some will say: 'Is not God alone the Prolific?' I answer: 'God only Acts & Is, in existing beings or Men.'
These two classes of men are always upon earth, & they should be enemies; whoever tries to reconcile them seeks to destroy existence.


When I compare the two men, I thought of this passage, with Burroughs as the Prolific and Buckley as the Devourer. I can not escape the suspicion that young William F. Buckley was searching for something like what William Burroughs achieved when he (Buckley) entered academia (rather than business). However the circumstances of his birth, upbringing and character made it impossible for him to escape the right wing, and hard core conservativism is death to art. The speech he delivers in the video on Nov. 1968 before Gore Vidal in which he utters a depressing stream of conscious monologue in place of an argument hints at someone who wants to be a poet. However, his poetry has no self conviction. No soul.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:28 PM
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59. It was announced

His arrogance will be buried in a separate ceremony

with a long winded Eulogy by Kissinger









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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:53 PM
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62. Kissenger was one of the "intellectuals" I was thinking about when I said being RW keeps you from
ever achieving genius, because you have to start with a bunch of fallacies. You end up being the "shop keepers" that Francis Fords Copolla's Kurtz talks about in Apocalypse Now . Some of the Shopkeepers are self styled Scholar Shopkeepers but all of them are in it to keep the money in the hands of the few---in other words to keep the power structure that of the oligarchy.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:01 PM
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64. Well said

"self styled Scholar Shopkeepers but all of them are in it to keep the money in the hands of the few"
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champion-these-facts Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:30 PM
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60. I liken him to George Will
Intensely Pseudo Intellectual.
Thinking inside out to the point of profound illogic.

The whole idea of this core conservatism, its small, less intrusive government and lower taxes so that individual wealth can be maximized has now proven itself, with certain historical facts now evident, as a flawed socio-political scheme aimed at USING government for the advantage of the few....to create a protected rich class.

I think it's gone so far as to reasonably conclude that there is really no reason at all for the conservative movement. It is a bunch of smoke and mirrors.... it's non-issues of abortion, gun rights etc to attract and secure electoral votes and purposefully divide the country, while its core end game is to rig the game so the few at the top can be protected in their wealth and have as wide a margin to stomp on those below as possible.

It can be summed up quite simply - be a dumb consumer and buy my BS.

GOOD BUY WILLIAM
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:51 PM
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61. Key difference--George Will can actually write (when he chooses to do so)
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champion-these-facts Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:22 PM
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73. Quick examination of wiki
will reveal they were equally prolific in writing, Buckley actually coming onto the scene at age 14 with a letter he sent to the National Review.

anyway....I know what you mean.

You want to read something really worth reading.
pick up

END OF IRAQ
PETER GALBRAITH

I see here just $6.50 for a electronic download
http://www.simonsays.com/content/destination.cfm?tab=1&pid=517130
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:55 PM
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63. I have to agree
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 07:04 PM by wryter2000
As someone who voiced sympathy for Tony Snow when his cancer returned, I surprised myself with the satisfaction I felt that this bogus "intellectual" had been silenced forever.

His supercilious manner always made my skin crawl. It seemed to me that he uttered his claptrap through a jaw paralyzed by patrician I'm-better-than-thou-ness precisely so it would be difficult to understand and recognize for the rubbish it was.

The last straw for me was a debate on Intelligent Design in which he, of course, was on the wrong, wrong, wrong side. How anyone could respect the intellect of someone who took that obviously anti-intellectual position is beyond me.

My sympathies to his family. The man himself has nothing but my eternal scorn.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:38 PM
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72. I think Snow might be smarter than Buckley. Certainly, Snow has a real talent.
He can tell a lie, without betraying it by so much as a flicker of the eyelash. And he is a very charming television personality, something that Buckley never managed to achieve.

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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65. What a loatheseome racist remark couched in extraneous BS!
And tweety thought this guy was a ray of light?

News flash: teenage tweety nerd then, too.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:16 AM
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67. Thanks McCamy
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:28 AM
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68. There was something peculiarly reptilian about Buckley.
Maybe it was the languorous slouch combined with a strangely menacing glitter in the eyes, and when he smiled and showed those teeth... my god...

Browsing Wiki I came upon a passage about Komodo dragons that reminded me of Bill Buckley.

Komodo dragons have a tail as long as their body, as well as about 60 frequently-replaced serrated teeth that may be up to 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in length.
Their saliva is frequently blood-tinged, because their teeth are almost completely covered by gingival tissue that is naturally lacerated during feeding. This creates an ideal culture for the virulent bacteria that live in their mouths. It also has a long, yellow, deeply-forked tongue.


With Buckley, just as with a large venomous lizard, it would be easy to be lulled into a sense of safety by the apparent torpor.

Under his facade of phony accented gentility there was always the sense that you'd better not turn your back to him lest you find him clamping onto your neck, injecting poison into your carotid artery.

Buckley's poisonous ideas, in part, have created the chilling political climate we are in now.

Screw the paleocons, for they begat Reagan who begat Bush.




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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:34 PM
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71. Excellent image. Worthy of either Burroughs or Hunter S. Thompson, two who will be remembered
and read long after Buckley had become a footnote in the history books of the 20th Century. The times they were already a changin' when he tried to apply the brakes.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:24 PM
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74. In the 60's, he was considered a loon.
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 05:25 PM by zanne
For the past eight or so years, he's been considered a moderate. That's how far we've gone to the right.
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