The right wing fundie Duggar family is expecting baby # 18.

[Fridays Child]

Are they trying for their own country?

http://health.discovery.com/

[tularetom]

1. They got any kids in Iraq?

Just askin.

[coriolis]

3. Very possible...Has daddy Duggar ever been there?

:eyes:

[hisownpetard]

4. Forget about the kids - how about sending the father or the mother, anything

to get them to stop making babies.

[rox63]

2. They have enough for two baseball teams now n/t

[Kittycat]

5. I think they haul her uterus around in a wagon ...

as it is. Someday it's just going to grow legs and start walking behind them.

[tanyev]

15. Madam, it's a uterus, not a clown car.

[Obamarama]

6. These fundamentalist publicity whores really annoy me...

Frankly, who the fuck cares about these people? Mr. Duggar needs a friggin' vasectomy.

[Triana]

10. I'm not sure that after a certain number of kids, they all ought to have them

....climate change, food/water issues, and behind at least the climate change issue, is over-population of this planet. At some point, having kids like this is immoral and anti- rather than "pro"-life.

[Ilsa]

14. That's where I stand as well. I see no reason for

for them to have 18 exemptions and tax credits. I think there should be a limit as to how many you can use for tax purposes. If they want over that limit, fine, they can pay for them. Thry pay nothing in federal taxes unless he is extremely wealthy.

[kestrel91316]

37. IMHO that's a great idea. Full tax break for only the first two.

After that, half the break on the third. And none on any more.

The last thing this planet needs these days is a pro-natalist policy.

[Ilsa]

41. I'd be a little more generous in the event of

unplanned pregnancies, but I agree on the rest. The whole thing could be grandfathered in. I hapen to think a tax policy should reflect an ideal, with some grace for the slight variations. 18 kids isn't a slight variation. If they can afford to have all of those kids, they can afford them without my indirect support.

I offered such an idea in another threat about the US population growing, and got hammered by someone. I was called a "eugenics" person and told that just because I have 20,000 posts (roughly) and five years on DU that I wasn't a liberal.

[kestrel91316]

45. I don't want to see more generosity in the case of "unplanned

pregnancies". But I'd be happy to see FREE birth control for all, and FREE abortions for all.

[Triana]

46. YES. Heck. I'd vote for that. We NEED it, badly. n/t

[theHandpuppet]

49. Duggar won't divulge the source of his income

A 7,000 sq. foot house and 18 kids and the guy -- who doesn't mind being a media darling -- won't talk about how he pays for all of this.

[Monk06]

51. Fundy Christmas card residuals, in kind donations from the Quiver movement etc.

[Triana]

7. health dot discovery dot com?

Doesn't sound very healthy to me!

Is she one of those "quiverful" women?

[wtmusic]

19. Me me me me me me me...

It's healthy for ME, not the planet, not the country, not anyone else.

My family. Me.

[kestrel91316]

36. Yes. They are the vocal poster children for the Quiverful movement.

[wtmusic]

8. Fun facts on the Duggars!

* Michelle’s been pregnant for 135 months of her life.
* Average number of months between Duggar births is 18.
* Estimated number of Duggar diapers to date is 90,000.
* The Duggars do approximately 200 loads of laundry each month.

...blah blah blah

* The Duggar family is an environmental disaster, using natural resources and contributing waste at an entirely unsustainable rate!

http://health.discovery.com/convergence/duggars/funfacts.html

[Fridays Child]

29. It seems very un-Christian of them to be so cavalier with God's resources.

[leftchick]

9. ah fuck!

That is one of the most revolting videos I have ever seen on the internet! Where the hell do these pod people come from?

:puke:

[smoogatz]

11. Whatever floats their boat.

The thing I'm conflicted about is that they're home-schooling: one the one hand it's a good thing that they're not burdening the public schools with all those kids. On the other hand, I've taught some Christian home-schooled kids at the college level and in my experience they've always arrived poorly prepared for college work and are often deeply anti-intellectual: in other words, pretty much guaranteed to struggle and fail. But no doubt these kids will all get packed off to Billy-Bob's Christian U, Inc., in Ardmore, OK, or wherever, where all the mis-information they're receiving through home schooling will be reinforced and amplified. Then they'll go to work in the federal government. Oy.

[Night_Nurse]

22. Great point. nt

[Hamlette]

12. their website (gag) has an anti birth control diatribe on it

about how it is abortion etc. and they are repenting by having so many kids from having used the pill early in their marriage.

http://www.duggarfamily.com/aboutus.html

If we lose/give in on Row v Wade, they will want to outlaw the pill next. Fundies I mean. They already have a protest group The Pill Kills.

I knew it was coming but that doesn't make it easier to stomach.

The Handmaids Tale is around the corner ladies.

[Night_Nurse]

26. Why is...

a channel like "Discovery" promoting the religious views of these freaks on their website? Who owns the Discovery Channel, anyway?

[Triana]

33. Handmaids Tale indeed. The Fundies plan for US women is to turn them into breed sows

one step away from the Taliban.

[gratuitous]

13. Update for the Duggers

That "replenish the earth" passage in Genesis? Mission accomplished. You can stop now.

[Bluebear]

16. Oh goodie, mom is only 41. Lots of fertile years left.

:crazy:

[Ilsa]

42. Not without a high likelihood of some tragedy.

Downs Syndrome is one of the more likely Advanced MAternal Age related problems, but there are others.

[Bettie]

59. I'm 41 and find myself pregnant again....

And I don't feel young enough....I've only got two kids and I'm TIRED!

I cannot even imgaine 18!

[slackmaster]

17. That's not very carbon-neutral of them

:shrug:

[Tektonik]

18. Time for this picture again

[Fridays Child]

28. LOL!

And that was four fetuses ago!

[Night_Nurse]

20. LOL...

Just noticed this on their webpage, under "Fun Facts":

"Michelle Duggar, female head of the Dugger household, has been pregnant for 135 months of her life."

Who considers being pregnant for 11 years... FUN??

Reminds me of the movie "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" - one scene in the movie is a musical vignette about Catholic families, "Every Sperm is Sacred" - the scene cuts to the Catholic mom standing at the kitchen sink, washing dishes, and suddenly a baby just falls out of her v-jay-jay as she's standing there, and she's like, "Hey, I just spit out another one, would someone come grab it off the floor?" And there are kids EVERYWHERE in the house... It's hysterically funny (as is the entire movie, actually).

[Ilsa]

21. I think it's the funniest scene of the movie. The kids are

sitting up high, out of the way, on these shelves close to the ceiling. MP has some hysterical commentaries on culture.

[Night_Nurse]

25. Yes...

and that movie is one of the best! :-)

I work in a large hospital, and the first scene of the movie, "Birth", just kills me every time. Hospital administrators at their finest. Haha

[Elidor]

23. The last time they had a baby, some wit around here said

"It's a birth canal, not a waterslide."

[smoogatz]

24. It WAS a birth canal. Like, 12 kids ago.

[Harry Monroe]

39. Now its the Lincoln Tunnel

After a certain number pass through, there ought to be a toll booth.

[Night_Nurse]

27. OMG

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I sooo needed that laugh!

[Fridays Child]

30. ...

:spray: :rofl:

[Holly_Hobby]

31. I guarantee you that she will not have any teeth left and

suffer from osteoporosis by the time she's 60, due to the inordinate amount of calcium being leached out of her body by the excessive number of pregnancies.

It's good she'll have so many kids to take care of her in her old age.

[Berry Cool]

32. I know this isn't likely to be a very popular comment here, but

as absurd as it may seem to us, is it really anybody's business but theirs?

Yeah, I know they announce it as if it should be, so they invite such comment. But is there a law against what they're doing? Not the last time I looked.

I mean, every kid is a burden on the planet...but this country doesn't tell people how many they can have, or how many they can use as exemptions. And if they did, they'd have to impose those limits on everyone.

And the suggestion that one of the parents be sent to Iraq to get them to stop making babies...tacky.

And if they homeschool and teach their kids in ways we don't like, well, they're the parents so I guess they get to choose how to educate their children, especially if our taxes don't subsidize that teaching.

Obviously, they believe women were put on earth to be baby machines...but they're not forcing anyone else into it. If she wants to spend most of her life pregnant, it's her choice, I guess.

And if people really think these folks should not have this many kids, we need to support a law limiting the number of children ANYONE can have, or write off on taxes. How many should we declare the limit?

Oh, one more question: if these people were African Americans, how many people would have commented here that they were having too many kids, vs. how many would have called such comments racist, and said it was their own damn business how many kids they have, especially if they can afford to support them all?

Just asking.

It's easy to make fun of them, call them gross, ridicule their beliefs, I know. I'm just wondering whether we'd do it so readily if they weren't white fundies. Does everyone in America have the right to have as many kids as they want, except white fundies who insist on going into the double digits because they think women are baby factories?

[Triana]

34. YES IT IS anybody's business because we share the same planet with these people..

...the SAME planet that is suffering due to the fact that there are TOO MANY HUMANS on it using and abusing its resources.

SO YEA - IT IS MY BUSINESS!

It's MY PLANET TOO AND I HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO LIVE.

Do THEY?

[TooBigaTent]

35. Exactly! this "family" may be legal (now), but if we had sane laws they would not be.

And you can bet that they would like to impose their views on the rest of us.

If they are so wacked, why don't they just kill themselves now and go directly to meet their god instead of wasting their time fucking up the planet for the people who believe in preserving it?

[The Straight Story]

38. 500,000 just died in Mynamar, that should make up for it

Her body, her choice. Unless the left wants to make it her body our choice.

[blondeatlast]

43. Considering they parade themselves around weekly for the Discovery Channel, to

some degree, they've made it our business.

I watched the show once and about 90 seconds into it my jaw hit the floor and stayed there for another 59 59 minutes--the commercials offered no reprieve (diapers, frozen dinners, cleaning products--UGH!).

[bluedawg12]

57. They are part of a RW political movement- check this out

This does not appear to be some random family that loves kids--they are part of a political movement.


QuiverFull Movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull#Consolidation_and_growth_of_movement

Check out the founder of the group that tis family belongs to.

More than just religion going on here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gothard

[cynatnite]

60. Irresponsible of them, IMO, but her body...her decision...

This is a choice decision and she has the right to make it no matter what the rest of us think. You're right. They are fundies and because of that they are targets of our opinions.

They'd be targets if this was their second or third child. They home school their kids, they're over-the-top christians, and are anti-birth control. That in itself paints a big target on them. That's what this is about for me...not just that she pops out kids as often as she pops out a DVD movie of the player.

[Xenocrates]

40. Tolerance and Diversity... oh, that doesn't apply to them, eh? (nt)

[blondeatlast]

44. They've chosen to make a public spectacle of themselves, kind of like Paris Hilton.

For that reason, they are fair game in my book...

Edit: On the telly, no less.

[Berry Cool]

47. I disagree with that choice, and I agree they're inviting public comment by parading thmselves.

It's just that one is not obligated to PROVIDE such comment.

So, if we're going to put limits on how many children a woman is allowed to have, where should we set the limit? Two? More? How many?

And should there be even stricter rules for people on any kind of public assistance?

Should the government mandate sterilization for a woman after she's had X number of kids?

Just asking.

[bluedawg12]

54. They are not part of a tolerant group and they don't want diversity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bob_Duggar
Jim Bob Duggar<5> and his wife Michelle,<6> who was named Young Mother of the Year in Arkansas in 2004,<7><8> are conservative Baptists<9> who endorse the Quiverfull movement and the teachings of Bill Gothard.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull
The movement was sparked most fully after the 1985 publication of Mary Pride’s book The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality.

In her book, Pride chronicled her journey away from what she stated were feminist and anti-natal ideas of happiness, within which she had lived as an activist before her conversion to conservative evangelical Christianity in 1977, toward her discovery of happiness surrounding what she said was the Biblically mandated role of wives and mothers as bearers of children and workers in the home under the authority of a husband.

According to journalist Kathryn Joyce,

“ Population is a preoccupation for many Quiverfull believers, who trade statistics on the falling white birthrate in European countries like Germany and France. Every ethnic conflict becomes evidence for their worldview: Muslim riots in France, Latino immigration in California, Sharia law in Canada. The motivations aren't always racist, but the subtext of "race suicide" is often there.<6>
Quiverfull authors Hess and Hess, along with Joyce, also connect the proliferation of conservative politics as a motivation behind Quiverfull. Hess and Hess state,

When at the height of the Reagan Revolution the conservative faction in Washington was enforced with squads of new conservative congressmen, legislators often found themselves handcuffed by lack of like-minded staff. There simply weren't enough conservatives trained to serve in Washington in the lower and middle capacities.<2>

Hess and Hess continue by envisioning that the offspring of Quiverfull families might enter national and local politics to bring conservative majorities, publicly-funded education to bring the teaching of creationism, and business to adjure companies to adhere to what adherents see as Christian sensibilities.<2><6[br />Quiverfull authors and adherents advocate for and seek to model a return to Biblical Patriarchy. Families are typically arranged with the mother as a homemaker under the authority of her husband with the children under the authority of both. Parents seek to largely shelter their children from aspects of culture they as parents deem adversarial to their type of conservative Christianity.

Additionally, Quiverfull families are strongly inclined toward homeschooling and homesteading in a rural area. However, exceptions exist in substantial enough portion to where these latter two items are general and often idealized correlates to Quiverfull practices and not integral parts of them.<26>

[bjorkfan]

48. Are you against 18 new immigrants coming into the country?

Really, what is the difference between population growth from childbearing and population growth from immigration? It has the same effect on the environment.

[bluedawg12]

56. Are you in favor of breeding for racial parity?

Thi8s family belongs to the QuiverFull movement. Read up on them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

Population and demography
According to journalist Kathryn Joyce,

“ Population is a preoccupation for many Quiverfull believers, who trade statistics on the falling white birthrate in European countries like Germany and France. Every ethnic conflict becomes evidence for their worldview: Muslim riots in France, Latino immigration in California, Sharia law in Canada. The motivations aren't always racist, but the subtext of "race suicide" is often there.<6>


Quiverfull authors Hess and Hess, along with Joyce, also connect the proliferation of conservative politics as a motivation behind Quiverfull. Hess and Hess state,

When at the height of the Reagan Revolution the conservative faction in Washington was enforced with squads of new conservative congressmen, legislators often found themselves handcuffed by lack of like-minded staff. There simply weren't enough conservatives trained to serve in Washington in the lower and middle capacities.<2>

Hess and Hess continue by envisioning that the offspring of Quiverfull families might enter national and local politics to bring conservative majorities, publicly-funded education to bring the teaching of creationism, and business to adjure companies to adhere to what adherents see as Christian sensibilities.<2><6>

Andrea Yates
Seelhoff and others claim that Andrea Yates was a victim of Quiverfull thought. Yates and her husband Rusty described themselves as nondenominational Christians who did not use birth control, agreeing to accept as many children as God sent their way
............

Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bob_Duggar
Jim Bob Duggar<5> and his wife Michelle,<6> who was named Young Mother of the Year in Arkansas in 2004,<7><8> are conservative Baptists<9> who endorse the Quiverfull movement and the teachings of Bill Gothard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gothard

[bjorkfan]

58. No, but Quiverfulls are the proverbial needle...

in a haystack. I hardly know any families with more than two children, and chances are you don't know many either. Most Catholics don't even have large families anymore. My point is that if we have room for millions of immigrants coming into the country, why the outrage about some couple in the boonies who have 18 kids?

[dorktv]

50. you know what would be funny? They all grew up and became liberals.

[rebecca_herman]

52. I feel bad for the kids...

because they aren't exposed to the outside world much it looks like, so they really will have no education about their options, especially the girls. Plus it seems once she has a new baby she just hands the previous one over to the older kids to raise. Not that I think homeschooling should be illegal (I was homeschooled for a few years for mental health reasons) and it is her body to do with as she chooses, but I feel bad that her kids are basically raising their younger siblings and have no exposure to all the different options and choices they should have in life.

ETA that the matching names are a bit much... Jinger is really stretching it!

[bluedawg12]

53. More than choice- RW movement behind it--

Check out the QuiverFull movment in wiki- which they belong to.

Check out the founder of this religious group:

http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/bill_gothard_schizophrenia_equals_irresponsibility/

The father in this group ran on outlawing birth control pills.

[rdenney]

55. She should me made to watch " Soylent Green" over and over again! n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

61. I hate to say this but I bet you would hear more of the public

complaining about this if it were a black or hispanic woman that had 18 kids.