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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:53 AM
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Sen. Bernie Sanders just said live on Thom Hartmann that the Gas Tax Holiday is a good idea.
"An instant, short-term help ... not a long term solution."

He also has proposed his own plan for cutting the tax in his own state for six months and forcing it on oil companies.

Now DU can throw that ultra-consevative Bernie under the bus for being on Hillary and McThug's side.

(FYI: I'm not in favor of the gas tax holiday)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:55 AM
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1. He Was also Against Impeachment
I disagree with Bernie on a few things. Yes... he's a politician...
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:55 AM
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2. what good is .18 gonna do when gas is climbing every day? delay the inevitable for 2 weeks
and short change the states out of tax money.

States have tried it and it has failed. They did it here in Georgia and the price PAUSED for a week then kept going UP
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:36 PM
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13. Exactly. The price probably won't go down the 18 cents in the first place.
It'll go down maybe 10 cents, and the oil companies will have an instant 8 cent profit increase. Then they'll raise it back the 10 cents over a couple of weeks.

Bernie's just wrong on this one.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:56 AM
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3. Yep, I heard it.
I presume that Bernie will not take the heaping scorn Hillary did.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:32 PM
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11. Of course he won't.
Because, unlike Hillary, this is not part of a long-term pattern of endless pandering and deceit with Bernie... just an aberration.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:33 PM
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12. Or, possibly, both would rather see the tax on the oil companies
than on the working class.

heck, Obama himself voted three times in Illinois for a gas tax holiday.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:58 PM
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14. Obama cast 3 votes on the same bill
in Illinois, but thanks for the deceptive hyperbole. He has also renounced that vote because he saw that it simply resulted in the oil companies raising prices to make up the difference and absorbing the savings into their profits. He learned from his experience that a gas tax holiday doesn't help the working class. He also learned that it reduced the funds available to the state to repair crumbling infrastructure and develop alternative energy sources.

Learning from experience, thinking longer-term about real solutions, telling it to the voters like it really is. Sounds like leadership to me.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:56 AM
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4. Any additional tax on the oil companies just gets passed onto consumers
I don't know why this is so hard to realize.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:28 PM
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9. Nationalize them, then.
If we're really at their mercy and can't regulate them...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:58 AM
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5. It might appear to be a short-term help,
but it BRINGS ABOUT long-term negative ramifications.

I'm surprised anyone would even view it as helpful in any way, given what the economists have said, and the knowledge that there's no way this could be implemented. It wouldn't get the votes needed to even make it to Bush's VETO stamp.

This is really transparent pandering and if she hasn't stopped proposing it, she should.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:59 AM
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6. What Did Hartmann Reply
I hope he handed Sanders some logic.
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:00 PM
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7. Bernies' screwy on this one.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:01 PM
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8. Then he is wrong on this issue

The 'savings' will be absorbed by an increase in price to maintain balance between demand and supply .

The last thing we want to do is promote imported petroleum use.


It's called a 'market signal' for a reason.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:29 PM
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10. i love Bernie, i disagree with him on this but i still have much respect and love for him.
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