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Sun May-18-08 09:24 PM
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I just got summoned for jury duty. I served on a jury about 8 years ago for the first time, so what are the odd of my getting called again? The problem I now have is that I work nights and have for some years now. Daytime is my sleeptime and I generally sleep from about 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. After working all night I have trouble even staying awake past 9 a.m. Would they take this into consideration as far as serving on a jury? I am sure that both the defense and the prosecution would prefer that members of the jury are alert and especially not dozing off. I am very sure that the judge would want that.
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Sun May-18-08 09:28 PM
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1. They won't care about your need for sleep |
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So, just go, and maybe you won't get picked, or if you are, maybe you'll be dismissed after you make a statement as to why you think you can't serve.
Good luck!
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Sun May-18-08 09:29 PM
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2. i would think that if you mentioned that initially |
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they might let you off for that very reason
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Sun May-18-08 09:29 PM
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3. I was in the same boat in Boston |
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I showed up at the required time and was out the door by 10. You bet I told them I worked nights as an RN. They let me go.
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Sun May-18-08 09:29 PM
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4. People called in for duty are expected to take the time off. |
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Go to jury duty in the day, go home and sleep at a night.
Repeat.
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Sun May-18-08 10:27 PM
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16. Doesn't work that way for me now. I can't sleep at night. |
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I worked 16 hours today--two eight hour shifts that ended at 10 p.m. Even though I theoretically sleep tonight I am so used to being awake at night that I probably will stay up till 4 or 5 a.m. and sleep late on Monday. I keep my night schedule even on my days off. Try as I may, if I try to stay up in the morning I will nod off.
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Mon May-19-08 09:01 AM
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36. That DOES NOT WORK for those of us on night shifts |
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It took two years before I could sleep at night when I stopped working nights, and that's with drugs.
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Sun May-18-08 09:33 PM
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5. I have to report tomorrow morning... |
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and I have a job interview on Wednesday that I absolutely can't reschedule.
So, hope I can get out of it, myself.
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Sun May-18-08 10:45 PM
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20. I got out of jury duty on the grounds that I was unemployed. |
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I wrote that on the postcard I sent back--I didn't even have to go in.
:headbang: rocknation
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Sun May-18-08 10:54 PM
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23. I am the Care Giver for my Mom |
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I served one time four years ago. It was difficult because I had to find someone to watch my Mom and didn't know how long I would have to serve.
The next time I checked the button that said full time care giver.
I had to certify that was my status and they permanently removed me from the list.
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Sun May-18-08 09:33 PM
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6. You may not have to serve |
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But you definitely have to show up.
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Sun May-18-08 09:35 PM
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7. Didn't you get a questionnaire? |
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Here, when called for jury duty, they include a questionnaire, which you fill in and sign under penalty of perjury, stating cogent (and truthful) reasons why jury duty would be a hardship for you. If you have a bad back, for instance, and sitting for long periods of time would imperil your well-being, you don't have to go.
Call the clerk of the court and find out if this is applicable. Might save you a trip.
Potential jurors are called from voter registrations, and it's random. Serving once doesn't excuse you from serving again, because your name is always in that pool. You just got nailed again, that's all.
Good luck.
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Sun May-18-08 09:45 PM
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13. I did get a questionnaire some months back. |
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Here in my county they pice potential jurors from the DOT license plate renewal list. I have no problem serving, but my circumstances are far different that the first time.
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Sun May-18-08 09:38 PM
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8. Different counties in different states do things differently. |
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Where I am in Lane county ORYGUN, you phone in on the appointed day and if your number isn't on the list they read off, you're done with it for the next few years or so. If you're number IS on the list, you go in. If you are picked for a jury, that's that. If you are NOT picked for a jury, you go back home and, again, you're done for the next few years or so, until the next time you're summoned.
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Sun May-18-08 09:39 PM
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9. people are getting called every year or two now, so you have been lucky. |
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but getting called doesn't mean you will be picked to serve. you msut do whatever it says on the paper you received.
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Sun May-18-08 09:40 PM
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10. I had to take time off from work to serve |
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I was glad to serve. I considered it part of being a citizen of a country of We the People. I've been called twice since; spent a day and was released. Had to miss a day of work both times. Welcome to America.
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Sun May-18-08 09:41 PM
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11. I was instructed that I can call the Clerk of Courts if there is a problem. |
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I will do that tomorrow and maybe I will not even have to go. My body is very well trained to be asleep by 9 a.m. I know some people sleep later and get up just before work, but I've always just eaten breakfast and hit the sack. I don't know if my work would reimburse me for my time since it is technically not when I am working and jury duty only pays $25 for a full day. What I don't get is in an area of over 100,000 people how I can get called a second time for jury duty in just 8 years.
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Sun May-18-08 09:48 PM
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14. The quickest way to get out of jury duty |
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is to say you have a bias in the case. IE you would believe the testimony of a law enforcement officer over another's. They usually ask this question in the jury pool. If you raise your hand you will go before the judge. They do not care about your work or personal reasons for not being able to serve, but they do care that you are impartial.
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Sun May-18-08 11:09 PM
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27. Didn't work that way in CA |
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many years ago and doesn't always work that way now.
I work part time for a Criminal Attorney. Many times the potential juror will say, " I hate cops! etc."
Sometimes the judge will keep inquiring and the lawyers can reject some jorors and keep others.
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Sun May-18-08 10:31 PM
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17. Jury commisioner's office, not the clerk of Court. |
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Sun May-18-08 10:42 PM
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19. No, my letter clearly says: Clerk of Circuit Court. n/t |
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Sun May-18-08 10:50 PM
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21. Circuit Court is state court in Wisconsin? |
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Sun May-18-08 10:53 PM
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22. Yep. Circuit Court = state trial courts here. |
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Circuit Court clerks are the gatekeepers of everything in WI.
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Sun May-18-08 10:57 PM
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26. Called Superior Court here and we have a jury commissioner. |
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Too bad you work nights. Jury duty can be very interesting and it is patriot duty. :patriot:
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Sun May-18-08 11:30 PM
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28. I don't know. This is a county court. n/t |
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Sun May-18-08 09:43 PM
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12. It depends on the jurisdiction and the judge-- |
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but I can assure you that I would ask to excuse you, as there's nothing worse than finding out that a juror is falling asleep and didn't hear all the testimony.
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Sun May-18-08 09:53 PM
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15. If you tell them everything |
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That you work nights and that you have trouble staying awake past 9 a.m. The court and attorneys don't like it when jurors fall asleep. They also don't like it if jurors are on drugs to stay awake or for recreation. If you are unable to pay attention to the trial or keep track of what's going on, the court may not want you seated. So, depending on the rest of the jury pool it's worth a shot.
I've been on both sides. I've had my number called (so to speak) and I've had to seat a jury. We know that people don't want to serve but we also try to be understanding when people want out. You can be excused during voir dire either "for cause" (if we believed there would be a bias toward one side of the case) or for a limited number of "peremptory" challenges (which don't need a stated reason for). If you have understanding counsel for either side they may let you release you from that jury pool.
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Sun May-18-08 10:36 PM
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18. egads, is this, like, prime season for jury duty? |
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I had to go in last week, and know three other people who also have been summonsed or called in in the last couple of weeks. Typically I might hear about someone I know being called for duty once every six months or so.
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Sun May-18-08 10:55 PM
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24. I have been chosen a number of times but never make the cut. |
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I am an engineer and it seems that neither the prosecutor nor the defense wants an engineer on the jury.
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Mon May-19-08 03:14 AM
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I've been called seven times...never been on a jury. You're right; they do toss out the engineers, scientists and most anyone with a technical background.
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Sun May-18-08 10:55 PM
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25. call the clerks office and tell them your circumstances, that's about ll you can do. |
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they might just give you a pass.
I've been called 3 times in 8 years and served once, my husband is out of the country a lot and he got his delayed a bunch of times and then he went in, sat around and got sent home.
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Mon May-19-08 03:20 AM
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30. Throw away the summons |
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if you don't want to serve. Unless they get your signature, or you contact them after receiving it, there is no way they can prove you actually received it. It's a whole lot easier than dealing with the hassle of going in when you know that it is not economically feasible to serve.
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Mon May-19-08 06:27 AM
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31. If you are selected for the jury .. |
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you won't have to worry about working for a few days. You will be able to sleep anytime the court is not in session.
Employers excuse employees for jury duty. So don't worry about it. Odds are you won't be chosen.
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Mon May-19-08 06:33 AM
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32. best way to get out is to appear to have some bias |
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so that the attorney on one of the sides will dismiss you.
in california your problem doesn't matter. not even if you have a huge test the next day. nothing matters. you have to serve. one thing you can do is have them postpone until a few months later, but that's all and you have to serve then.
there is of course a chance that you wont even get called to the jury selection in the courtroom.
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Mon May-19-08 08:10 AM
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35. Judges are used to this "dodge" |
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Believe me, having just served on a jury a few months ago, this gambit doesn't work as well as it (maybe) once did.
You'll still have to show up every day and spend half the day in the jury pool, which in my opinion is as big a pain in the ass as actually serving on a jury, only nowhere near as interesting.
No, the best thing is for one to explain one's situation to the court clerk and throw one's self on the mercy of the judge. Maybe it can at least be postponed to a more opportune time.
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Mon May-19-08 06:36 AM
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33. It didn't matter when I served several years ago. |
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There was one young woman who was a disk jockey who worked the all-night slot. She begged them to give her a pass but it didn't matter. This was a Grand Jury that sat one day per week for three months. The State's Attorney contacted the radio station to ask them if it would be possible to adjust her schedule but, since it was technically not necessary for them to do so in order for her to be present during the day, they couldn't be compelled to make such an accommodation and they wouldn't budge.
This woman made a valiant effort but she simply couldn't stay awake enough to fully participate and, since I was the foreperson, after about three weeks I went to the State's Attorney who was supervising us and asked that we dismiss her and call in one of the alternates for the duration because it was simply an untenable situation for her and he agreed. Bless her heart, she almost broke down in tears when I called and told her that we were letting her out and I was awfully glad at that time that I was able to convince The Powers That Be to do it.
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Mon May-19-08 06:58 AM
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34. Some times jury duty selection |
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does not make any sense. I have lived in the same court jurisdiction for 20 years. My wife has been summoned to jury duty four times. She is legally blind and totally bed ridden. After presenting documentation to the Clerk of the Court, the jury duty is cancelled. I on the hand am in good health and do not have a problem with work as far as serving on a jury is concerned. I have never been called for jury duty.
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Mon May-19-08 10:48 AM
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37. If you are selected for voir dire, just make sure that you speak up and are opinionated. |
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Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:49 AM by MilesColtrane
Both sides are looking for jurors who are meek, pliable, and easily manipulated.
You can get a sense of what the case may be about, and you can, without lying, tell the lawyers something that will usually get you out of actually being seated.
Example: I could tell that the defendant was either facing a DUI or a drug possession charge.
The prosecutor questioned us about how much credibility we would ascribe to an arresting officer's field observations. I made sure to say that I wouldn't necessarily give an officer's testimony any more weight than any other witness.
He also asked our opinions on drug laws. I answered that I thought marijuana should be legal, and that other drugs should be decriminalized.
In total it was about a 5 hour day, but in the end, I wasn't selected, and didn't have to go back.
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Mon May-19-08 08:56 PM
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38. The jury clerk advised me to write a hardship letter explaining my situation. |
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She agreed that they do not want jurors who are struggling to stay awake or are not paying enough attention simply because they are trying to stay awake. I can only give it a shot and I've got a couple of weeks to compose a letter.
I did enjoy the jury I was on about 8 years ago and I was an active participant in the jury process. It was a case of a guy who burst into his girlfriend's apartment at 3 a.m. when he was drunk. She lived there with their baby, but he did not live there. One of the things he was charged with was disturbing the peace and surprisingly the women on the jury want to let him off. We had the legal definition of disturbing the peace and I pointed out that he had clearly broken that since there was peace in that apartment when his girlfriend and baby were sleeping until he burst into it. In the end he was found guilty of that.
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