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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:47 PM
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YET MORE HAGEE
YET MORE HAGEE....According to pastor John Hagee, whose endorsement John McCain says he's glad to have, the Holocaust was God's way of punishing European Jews for not emigrating to Israel quickly enough and Hitler was His divine instrument for getting this done. Charming. Audio here. Unfortunately, AIPAC and likeminded organizations long ago made their peace with crazy Christian preachers who support Israeli expansion because Armageddon needs a proper battleground, and this means they're unlikely to insist that McCain repudiate Hagee. Quite the contrary, in fact. They like Hagee.

Of course, this whole thing is just garden variety white crazy, and the audio clip is more than five seconds long, which means that neither Sean Hannity nor CNN will play it on a 24/7 loop. I guess that leaves it up to the mighty blogosphere to draw attention to it...http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_05/013765.php
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:50 PM
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1. exposure's a beeotch
:kick:
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:52 PM
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2. Let's see....WWII - 1942....Founding of Israel - 1948....so how did the persecution of Jews
take place before the founding of Israel if the Jews weren't emigrating fast enough?

Never mind. I'm being logical.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:59 PM
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3. "Sunlight is the best disinfectant" n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:01 PM
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4. Daan Abrams about to tear him a new one
This is going to be good.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:39 PM
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6. watching now
conservative weenie lies about the numbers of followers Hagee has--says he's not that popular.


Hagee's church is ginormous. Tens of thousands in the pews every week.
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:05 PM
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11. And their parking lot is big enough for
ten football fields.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:10 PM
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5. And taken from a military forum.....
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8430006241001/m/8190066271001

"I'm very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement today," McCain said at a news conference. "He has been the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement in many areas, but especially, most especially, his close ties and advocacy for the freedom and independence of the state of Israel."


Pastor John Hagee, in his book "Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World", writes (pages 92-92):

quote:
It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day...
Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come...
It rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people.”

So, according to McCain supporter Hagee, anti-semitism is the fault of the Jews because of their "disobedience and rebellion to their covenantal responsibility". Anti-semitism is God's punishment on the Jews from being "bad". If they had "done the right thing" and had never left Israel/Palestine, there wouldn't be any anti-semitism.

McCain supporter Hagee continues, in his book
"Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World":

quote:
The fishermen come before the hunters. First, God sent the fishermen to Israel. These were the Zionists, men like Theodor Herzl who called for the Jews of Europe and the world to come to Palestine to establish the Jewish state. The Jews were encouraged to escape while there was still time. The situation for Jews in Europe would only get worse, not better.

A fisherman is one who draws his target toward him with bait. Herzl and his fellow Zionists were God’s fishermen, calling the sons and daughters of Abraham home. Herzl was deeply disappointed that the Jews of the world did not respond in greater numbers.

God then sent the hunters. The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear. No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler’s Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have — Israel.

So, according to McCain supporter Hagee, God sent Hitler and the Nazis to scare the Jews back to Israel - and those Jews who refused to go to Israel deserved their deaths in the Holocaust for disobeying God and not voluntarily moving to Israel.

So, according to McCain supporter Hagee, Hitler, Himmler and those death camp guards who operated Dachau, Auschwitz, Treblina, etc, were actually doing God's work - killing off those Jews who defied God by not living in Israel.

Senator McCain - are you still "very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement"?
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:41 PM
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7. He disgusts me to no end.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 08:42 PM by Maestro
If there is a Heaven and he is in it, I will choose not to be there!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:34 PM
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8. Very, very twisted thinking
I'd like to read response from a Jewish Rabbi
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:18 PM
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9. Made it on Olbermann!
This story's got legs.

McCain's gonna wish he had Rev. Wright as his pastor...

:popcorn:
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 01:00 PM
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10. when will McLame distance himself from this garbage?
hmmm?
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