AA Mega-Church Rev: Liberals will Rue Obama Victory because "They won't be able to trash America"

[Leopolds Ghost]

He (regular Scarborough guest who advertises himself as an Obama religious adviser in LA) also took the opportunity to trash France for their racism and emphasized that "An Obama victory will be the end of racial grievance politics in this country... Jackson, Sharpton, Wright, all that."

This is the guy who was one of the first black commentators to come out (a Rev!) and demand that not only Obama renounce Rev. Wright, but also demand that he leave his church and "renounce any religious belief that is contrary to the national interests of this great country."

All the advisers on Scarborough agreed with him on both occasions, of course.

More attempts to claim Obama victory as a victory of the center-right AGAINST the left and AGAINST the old civil rights movement is Richard Cohen's latest, a paean crediting LBJ for allowing Obama victory to happen:

"It's not just that he is post racial... so is the nation... thank you, LBJ."

More attempts to claim Obama as proof that liberalism is dead to follow. Will you take this lying down, DUers, or did you come to this site believing Obama was a "post racial" (i.e. you can see past his blackness) and "acceptably centrist" (anti-liberal) figure?

[Leopolds Ghost]

1. Charlie Cook: "The new Congress will not be these radical liberals people are worried about...

Here's more:

Charlie Cook: "The new Congress will not be these radical liberals... these are center-right politicians they are running in these red areas. So we can be confident that Obama will not misinterpret the results as a mandate for liberalism."

[tazkcmo]

5. It IS a mandate for common sense

The Constitution, thoughtfulness, intelligence, good judgement and clear thinking.

[rucky]

2. Mega-preachers didn't let 6 years of absolute power

get in the way of them trashing America - or certain groups of Americans - at every turn. What's their excuse for all the hate?

[NC_Nurse]

3. The RW already trashed it. These religious wacks will LOVE feeling martyred though.

They love wailing and hand-wringing and knashing of teeth.

They better hope Obama doesn't fix things and make the country stronger...they'll lose all their desperate converts.

[Leopolds Ghost]

You may not realize. These are the LIBERAL black mega-church pastors.

They are increasingly swaying the anti-Jesse Jackson faction of African American politics (including Jesse Jackson Jr.) with their "leadership" "self-advancement" philosophy which is basically Black Reaganism. And there's lots of them in the Obama campaign.

[NC_Nurse]

8. Oh wow! Well, religion and logic don't really mix.

Yikes.

[Leopolds Ghost]

11. Everyone just calls them liberal. They are the DLC Dems who are trying to take over the party

The minute it becomes a vehicle that has a prayer of real power these "leadership Dems" gravitate to power and influence.

I don't think it's religion, I think it's Reaganism. Worship of money and power. They literally believe it is unpatriotic not to be greedy and obsessed with self-advancement.

They've already taken over urban politics in cities like DC...

The new voices of "young, urban, liberalism". They are what Scarborough accurately (!) called "South Park libertarians".

Cynical, greedy, and used to getting what they wish, hope, work or pray for.

For once I actually agree with that piece by David Brooks about scarcity.


Or, in the black community, guys like Jesse Jr. and this pastor -- the "young, anti-civil rights, authoritarian, self advancement" crowd. One of them even proudly calls himself "a successor to Booker T. Washington".

[Leopolds Ghost]

4. Mike Barnicle: "I think this election will be a huge wake-up call for the wacko liberal left"

Token "liberal" Mike Barnicle: I think this election will be a huge wake-up call for the wacko liberal left on the internet when they relize Obama is not going to embrace their agenda, he's going to work across the aisle.

Much head nodding from Harold Ford, etc. who believe this is "the big danger".

[bigbrother05]

7. Thought O was the "most liberal" Senator

How could his election not be center-left at least?

[Leopolds Ghost]

9. "the big danger" =

i.e. that he may be tempted to "wrongly interpret a mandate for wacked out 'liberal' policies"

as Dem and DLC insiders like Barnicle and Richard Cohen call it.

Don't you love Cohen choosing this moment to resurrect the ill-fated "LBJ was really responsible" rhetoric?

[gollygee]

10. That sounds like a concession

so they know they've lost.

And yeah, whatever happened to him being a left-wing socialist?

[Leopolds Ghost]

12. What happened to Barnicle being the "liberal"?

Interesting how they sidelined Rachel Maddow (a moderate progressive) the minute she got her own show.

[BlueCaliDem]

14. Harold Ford is such a repub. No wonder Obama never met with him.

Every time I see that guy on television (luckily, he's confined to Morning Joe ) I have a hard time believing he was once a Dem. Okay, a center-right Dem but listening to him, I don't hear him speak anything that could help me see him as a Dem.

Good thing he lost the race for the Senate seat.

[barbtries]

6. hell no!

i believed he was the democrat.

[mrcheerful]

13. Liberals do not trash America we trash the elected public servents who are

not working for the best interests of the american people and thats reguardless of which party is in office. Remember we trashed Clinton for signing NAFTA, though these puke supporters were gung ho for NAFTA until it no longer served their needs. It's the conservatives that trash america by putting party before country.

They trash america when they don't follow seperation of church and state laws. They trash america by spitting on every law that their elected public servents break for personal gains. Screw conservatives they neither serve nor conserve, its all about what they can milk out of america and that too is trashing america.

[Leopolds Ghost]

15. Yep.

Question is, if the African American community is becoming a base for the neoliberal DLC (like in cities like Newark, DC, New Orleans, due to the lack of non-corrupt progressive alternative and middle class flight) what happens when you have a Black voting base who see Obama as a historical vote for a "center right" new Democratic majority? Do they really believe Obama's election makes this counrty blind to race? I certainly know that the black community is not blind to class. If the Republican coalition splits, what happens if the DLC and progressives split? Most of the black community will side with the DLC. Booker T. Washington has won out over WEB DuBois these days. Most of the people in my (liberal, mixed-race) neighborhood do not see any virtue in aligning with the "wacko left" and are strictly Clinton Dems who want prosperity for themselves and an end to the Iraq war and hands off Roe v. Wade... beyond that, where is the progressive coalition in the black / white yuppie urbanite community?

[mrcheerful]

18. Theres black yuppies? Seriously, I doubt democratics will split like the republicons

for the simple fact is we are a party that enjoys diversity. The republicons on the other hand because of their conservative views are more likely to split because they are so rigid in their beliefs and lives, They feel that if they believe this all should also believe this, which is what leads to the back biting we have seen this election year.

[Poseidan]

20. members of the (R) party are absolutists

I trash idiots all the time, and rednecks (a.k.a. nascar fans), and brain-washed religious people (although, I hope they free themselves from slavery).

Because I tell some groups to break their dicks off fucking boulders, to the (R)epublican or (R)eligious, that means I dislike ALL of America.

When given a true or false quiz, the (R)'s answer true to all the false questions (and vice versa).

[These Eyes]

16. I've seen that pastor on MSNBC several times…

and each time he sets my hair on fire. He is what my parents call a 'boot-licker'. Anyone who thinks that Obama becoming president will somehow erase all racism is on some extremely potent crack. If people really looked past color, Obama's smallest lead against McCain would be 20 points. My husband's supervisor lost his home in foreclosure and is struggling financially, but says he just can't bring himself to vote for Obama. He even showed my husband a pro-McCain video -- fear tactics and all -- trying to convince my husband to vote against Obama.

One thing -- not all mega-church pastors are like this. My pastor said Sunday that while JIm Crow may be dead, his grandchildren are alive and well and that there are still segments of our society that are very sick with racism. And as far as African American pastors go, the nut on MSNBC was one of very few who came out against Wright. Most understand what Black Liberation theology, or Liberation theology, is all about -- it has nothing to do with hating white people. In fact, many spoke in their churches in defense of Wright because he was taken out of context.

Long story short -- we may have come a long way as a country, but we still have a long way to go. We will still need the "crazy liberals" to be the voice crying out in the wilderness.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Preachers who talk politics

are vipers, each and every one of them. Whatever they say, whoever the support. The agenda is always to get money for the Rev's own pocket, always. Mega church= Apostate church, the church of mammon, the Church of the Poisoned Mind.

[specialed]

19. We were never trashing America...just Right Wing nut jobs who think THEY ARE America.

:) Truth

[Brewman_Jax]

21. Liberals don't trash America

we frequently remind it that it too often fails to live up to its cherished ideals.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Of fer chirsakes Obama IS a centrist

he is no liberal.

Now the good news is that the LAST centrist to get elected durimg an economic crisis was a real pragmatist and did what needed to be done

He became a hero, saved the country... and became a class traitor, that was FDR... who did not run or had a record of a liberal.

Circumstances are different today. This is NOT a great depression and the left is far from organized

But that precedent gives me hope

But Obama ain't no liberal... so they are telling the truth on this one.

That said compared to the radical right, he is a lefty.