The most profound statement I've read on Prop 8 results.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

"There's something deeply wrong with putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote," said Evan Wolfson, a gay-rights lawyer who heads a group called Freedom to Marry. "If this were being done to almost any other minority, people would see how un-American this is."


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1130ap_gay_marriage.html?source=mypi

[lligrd]

1. Very True And Very Sad

I was especially disheartened to hear that the black community voted for it by high percentage points.

[MrMickeysMom]

3. Malloy's been talking about that tonight

I wasn't aware of this until listening to Rachel tonight.

Now I understand the tee shirt, "Gay - the new Black"

[Kitty Herder]

2. K & R

[Cerridwen]

4. Recommend to the Greatest Page.

I still can't type my thoughts out.

[bullwinkle428]

5. Meanwhile, ignorant mofos on other boards are claiming that

"majority rules", specifically as it applies to this issue, is the very essence of democracy! :crazy:

"Mommy, why is there a 'Free Republic'?"

[Liberal_in_LA]

6. another one I heard today. Prop 4 was voted down (parental notification on abortion)

but prop 8 passed. Pundit pointed out that people vote to keep their own rights (women voting to keep abortion rights safe, but voting away gay rights). Sad but true.

[Idealism]

7. I liked that quote so f'ing much

Its my new snazzy signiture. Jealous? :p

[orleans]

20. jealous? no. not really.....

;-) :evilgrin:

[alittlelark]

8. That's what I've been saying to my kids.

I wish I had spent more time on Prop 8. I spent hours phone banking for Obama....


I should have done more than put a bumpersticker on my car and a sign in the yard.

:cry:

[yellerpup]

9. How deep do you have to be in denial

to deny your own family members a chance at happiness, stability, and legal protection? There is no such thing as a family without a gay/lesbian/bi/transgender member anywhere in the world. How can people be so heartless? I have long said that women should decide reproductive rights decisions and it makes sense that GLBT should be in charge of their own destinies. Love is the answer. Sorry, I didn't hear the question.

[The Wielding Truth]

10. I thought that maybe it was worded in a confusing way and that

there were mistakes and misunderstandings. But NO. I found it and it could not be clearer.
http://www.sbsun.com/editorial/ci_10800281

I'm so shocked that a liberal state like California has voted to pass this.

[LibDemAlways]

11. My 85-year-old dad's take on Prop 8:

Why the hell am I being asked to vote on this? It's none of my business who somebody else wants to marry. Live and let live.

Too bad so many others apparently don't share his common sense wisdom.

[orleans]

12. brilliant. and just imagine that....

blacks not allowed to marry.
asians not allowed to marry.
single parents not allowed to marry.
hispanics not allowed to marry.
disabled not allowed to marry.
felons not allowed to marry.
fundies not allowed to marry.

[justiceischeap]

13. I wouldn't mind the fundies not allowed to be married.

Just joking... aren't I?

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. They have forgotten it

blacks were not allowed to marry whites at one point

Hispanics were not allowed to marry anglos either

Jews were not

and so it goes

Thoes who refuse to... well you all know how that goes

[orleans]

18. right. but if we're doing a more exact comparison--then

blacks would not be allowed to marry blacks.

asians would not be allowed to marry asians.

etc.

(however, i do seem to recall--tho not personally or in my lifetime--that blacks were not allowed to "marry" because they were considered 3/5 of a person & property -- i think that was where the tradition of jumping the broom came from. so imagine going back to that bullshit.)

on edit:
"No form of marriage was recognized for blacks during American slavery. In its absence, the ceremonial jumping of the broom served as an open declaration of settling down in a marriage-like relationship within the slave community. Jumping the broom was always done before witnesses as a public ceremonial announcement to other members of the slave community that a couple chose to become as close to married as was then allowed.

"After the American Civil War the former slaves were free, and could have European-style weddings with wedding rings conventionally recognizable as symbols of marriage, The broom-jumping ceremony was among the vestiges of slavery that was no longer required, and the outdated tradition was largely abandoned after it was no longer necessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_broom

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. As I told a young AA man today...

this vote sets the ground work to go back to the good ol' days of separate but equal.

His eyes grew large, but after some extended discussion, which included a young Latina as well... they both got it.

We take rights away from one group... we set the stage for more bullshit

And I did not expect that talk TODAY after 8

Sadly they voted for it... and sadly I think they would not have if somebody put it in such stark terms. In that sense the No on 8 failed horribly

[orleans]

21. yes, i bet that got them. it got me just reading what you wrote. n/t

[2Design]

14. yes I read that - and that does go against our whole system of trials

we are a nation who usually protect minorities and that is the problem the rw has - they attack just like bullies

[Kickin_Donkey]

15. This is exactly why it will be struck down in the courts ...

in the same way that if an electorate voted to legalize slavery, it would be struck down, majority notwithstanding.

[cboy4]

17. And how about where black people would be if their

civil rights had been put up to a popular vote?

I'm pretty certain they'd still be drinking out of water fountains labeled, "colored."

And to strip away a right already on the law books.

It's just shameful. It's even worse than "deeply wrong."

[huskerlaw]

22. That's the legal argument Lambda Legal will be putting forth.

As a lawyer, I find the argument novel, brilliant...and amazingly simple.

[Zhade]

23. IT'S NOT OVER YET - DON'T LISTEN TO THE LIES!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4386589

3-4 MILLION UNCOUNTED VOTES!

[tavalon]

27. I think the point we should take from this isn't that the voting isn't over

but that the voting on this atrocity never should have happened. No one should ever have thought such an evil thought as placing this on the ballot. No one should ever have collected the signatures to place this on the ballot. This proposition was morally bankrupt and never should have seen the light of day, much less the inside of a voting booth.

[goclark]

34. Please let them all say NO

Please let the courts have a spine.

[Guaranteed]

24. Relatedly, there's something deeply wrong with amending the Constitution

by majority vote.

[uppityperson]

25. k&r and hoping for it to not be over yet. It is appalling.

[tavalon]

28. I disagree. I want the voting on that atrocity to be over and the

overturning of that heinous thing to begin immediately.

[uppityperson]

30. That is what I mean by "not over yet". Keep working on civil rights.

Why should this even be an issue? The country needs to get past this.

[tavalon]

32. I see

[tavalon]

26. That is profound! Really.

It's unAmerican, just like disenfranchising voters.

[nichomachus]

29. Well, there's always immigrants -- they'd lose in almost any ballot question

Right winger and Christians both need someone to hate. Right now, gays and immigrants are fulfilling that role.

[Usrename]

31. Un-American to the core.

These folks must be stopped somehow.

[pleah]

33. K&R

[Orsino]

35. That is the central point.

The ugliness of the hate driving the antigay movement should be a deal-breaker. And yet so many Americans still pursue this unconstitutional, cruel dream.