Oh boy...here they go: Fundies fear "persecution" under President Obama and Democratic Congress

[marmar]

from the American Family Association's OneNewsNow, which is at an absolute fever pitch of lunacy right now: :crazy:



Advice to Christians: Defend life, prepare for persecution
Chad Groening and Allie Martin - OneNewsNow - 11/5/2008 7:45:00 AM


With the prospect of a liberal Democratic leadership taking hold on Capitol Hill, two evangelical leaders are counseling fellow believers to stand firm in defense of Christian liberties and freedoms against the possibility of radicals in Congress overreaching their power.

Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, says after the devastating defeat at the hands of the liberals, pro-family Christians must be prepared to make solid arguments as they look to the future.

"They need to point out the mistakes that (President-elect Barack) Obama makes when it comes to overreaching," Land urges. "I think he'll be pressed hard to overreach by the radicals in the Democratic House and Senate."

The Southern Baptist leader has additional advice for his fellow Christians. "I think that we need to stay consistent with our message of family values and the sanctity of human life -- and we need to find attractive and articulate candidates who will go out and make those cases," he says.

According to Land, a number of social conservatives could emerge as the new leader of the pro-family movement. "I think there are several contestants for it," he states. "Sarah Palin is certainly going to be a prominent one. Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell -- who just won re-election (in Kentucky) -- (and) Bobby Jindal from Louisiana."

Persecution on the horizon?

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, believes Senator Obama was elected, in large part, because the church in America has failed to address sin in its own ranks and also in society.

Perkins says Christians should pray for and return to a biblical model of holiness and righteousness. And believers in America, he adds, should prepare for persecution.

"We are going to see, I think, unprecedented attacks against our faith through measures like the hate crimes (legislation) to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act," he says. "We're going to see attacks on innocent human life through the Freedom of Choice Act, trying to erase all the gains that have been made in the pro-life movement. And I think even our freedoms are going to come under attack."

Obama stated during the presidential campaign that one of his top priorities upon taking office would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act. Perkins says Christians will have to be resolute in defense of what they know to be right.

"We're going to have to stand together, and stand in defense of these truths, and be bold about that stance," he counsels.

Perkins says many churches are afraid of offending people, and don't challenge members to live out their faith in the public square.


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=310956 (if Rick-rolled, visit the AFA's homepage www.afa.net and scroll down to the OneNewsNow area)

[bluestateguy]

1. The white American Christian is the most persecuted minority in the world

Uh huh.

[pokerfan]

48. End the persecution!

[AuntPatsy]

84. They are funny aren't they? I mean seriously, they give themselves way too much credit..

I for one don't spend hours everyday worrying about what they do in their private lives and honestly could care even less.

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. They lost 3 anti-choice propositions yesterday. Obama didn't do that, the American people did

They were firmly repudiated on election day.

[jwirr]

28. Absolutely, I hope that those three justices resign on Jan. 5 so we

can get them replaced as soon as possible. I think they have just been holding on until it was safe to retire.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Their worst nightmare would be if everyone just totally ignored them....

and then just cheered as they were raptured up to the clouds....They we could all run over and claim the stuff they left behind.

[KansDem]

96. "They we could all run over and claim the stuff they left behind."

I get dibs on the big Bible that sets on the coffee table!

You can have the "George W. Bush: Man of Faith" drawing (maybe it's even framed!):

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. Christians destroyed this country by being in bed with Repukes.....

As far as I'm concerned, they can kiss my big fat ass.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

5. Crap. I hope this doesn't mean we're going to see a new flourishing of end times cults. nt

[dkofos]

83. If it means they will take themselves out, I'm all for that.

[kestrel91316]

6. I think they all have a secret desire to become the next "Christian martyrs".

Batshit crazy, IMHO.

[TechBear_Seattle]

7. Fine. Let them move to Saudi Arabia, then

Or maybe Canada, where hate speech wrapped in religion is still hate speech.

[Name removed]

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[marmar]

11. Huh?

n/t

[alittlelark]

13. Why are you here?

Seriously.....why?

What brought you to this message board?

[Stellabella]

15. Uh, don't think so.

I suppose you also opposed the war in Iraq? And oppose the death penalty? And support health care for everyone, regardless of ability to pay?

[Catholic Libertarian]

17. Answers

Stellabella asked: "I suppose you also opposed the war in Iraq? And oppose the death penalty? And support health care for everyone, regardless of ability to pay?

************

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Stellabella]

25. good for you.

Now, in terms of abortion, mind your own business. You have no right to tell another woman what she can and can't do with her body.

Abortion numbers are the same, whether it's illegal or legal. It's such a private matter it can't be legislated. The only thing that changes when abortion is illegal is that women die.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. You've GOT to be joking, right? nt

[Richard Steele]

32. M'kay.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

41. Oh, and what "family values" would those be?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

42. No, we shouldn't.

Abortion must be kept safe and legal (and hopefully rare due to accessible, affordable birth control) so that desperate women do not resort to back alleys, carbolic soap, and coat hangers.

Surely you don't want that for women... or do you?

[Tansy_Gold]

89. Just saying: birth control does not replace abortion

I'm all in favor of affordable, available contraceptives. I'm all in favor of comprehensive sex education in public schools. I'm all in favor of all of that.

But access to safe, legal, and affordable abortion remains a necessity. Not all abortions are performed simply to terminate unplanned pregnancies that could have been prevented by access to contraceptives.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

90. Oh, you mean the [dick fingers] "health" of the mother?

I agree with your post and thanks for pointing out what I omitted. Not surprisingly, the OP doesn't seem concerned with the health of the mother...

[orleans]

44. OMG-- you're a guy!

[norepubsin08]

45. Go fuck yourself buddy

If you hadn't noticed, this is a pretty big pro-choice board. I think most people here are not into restricting peoples rights, we've enough of that shit this past 8 years with Bush and for the 12 years of 1981-1993 with that senile asshole Reagan and the fucker who spawned the idiot in the White House right now.

[Name removed]

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[SammyWinstonJack]

52. You are wrong in sticking your nose in other peoples' private matters. How about you mind your own?

Don't approve of abortion? Don't have one. Oh wait, you can't. :silly:

[KitSileya]

53. And what about the life of the mother?

I am a Catholic, but I cannot be completely anti-abortion. You see, if my sister had landed in a Catholic hospital when she had her ectopic pregnancy, she would certainly have been in more danger as they would have refused to abort the fetus that was on the verge of blowing up her fallopian tube, leaving her at risk of fatal hemorrhaging. She would have also lost that tube, and been unable to have children afterwards. No one in the Catholic Church is waging a war on medics at accidents who do triage, and let some patients die because they can save others more reliably, but once it's a mother and fetus, it's automatic that the mother's life is less worth than the fetus who cannot survive, or is anenchepalitic, etc.

As for the Bible, I am getting mighty tired of people touting the Bible says life starts at conception, when that is patently not true.

[TWiley]

59. Frankly, God feels Religion is an abomination .....

[varkam]

62. Wrong.

It's abortion that you are either for or against.

Wrong. I'm against abortion, so are, I would imagine, most others here. That's not a difficult question as I think we would all like to live in a world without abortions. The difference between me and you, though, is a degree of naivety that pro-lifers have (perhaps as a consequence of clutching your jesus books a little too tightly) that the way to end abortion is by turning to the courts to outlaw it. The funny thing is - that won't end abortion. No, that just pushes it underground where it becomes unregulated and hazardous. In fact, the only way to end it is to work to change the conditions wherein people find it necessary to have an abortion in the first place such as poverty and the lack of comprehensive sex education.

Until that time, however, I wholeheartedly believe in the notion that an abortion is between a woman, her doctor, and her god.

That said, I've heard a lot of talk about the rights of the mother. What about the rights of her unborn child? If the mother is incapable of caring for a child why not place him or her for adoption instead of killing it?

Short answer: an unborn child doesn't have rights, depending on how far along it is. Also, I don't know if you've noticed but there are an abundance of orphans and children up for adoption as is - it isn't such a magical solution as you and yours would like to believe that it is.

Oh, and did you know that Norma McCorvey, who was Jane Roe of Roe v. Wade which legalized abortion, has revealed that she was a pawn of the two slip-and-fall lawyers who represented her, Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee? Norma didn't have the abortion thank God, and is now on the side of life.

Which really has nothing to do with anything. That's like saying Darwin had racist views as a means to discredit the entire scientific theory of evolution - needless to say, an intellectually wanting argument.

norepubsin08, I am not your enemy; I hope you don't see me as one. I will pray that God reaches into your heart and the hearts of everyone who is in favor of the abomination called abortion and shows you that you're wrong in supporting it.

Do you not see the hubris that is inherent in that statement? Do not see the condescension? I suspect that you do not, which is why I also suspect you won't be around to reply to this.

[surrealAmerican]

71. It seems your objection to abortion is on religious grounds.

We have people in this country who don't practice the same religion you do. This is the way it should be; our constitution guarantees freedom of religion. People who believe differently than you should not have to abide by the tenets of your faith.

[Name removed]

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[Hell Hath No Fury]

93. You really need to remove that link--

we don't allow right-wing, anti-choice propaganda to be posted here.

[surrealAmerican]

94. It's only an ethical position if you've decided ...

... that a fertilized egg is a person. It is equally ethical to decide that it isn't.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

86. I'm sorry but YOU do not get to choose my religion for me --

and that is what you are doing when you try to take away my right to make a medical decision for myself based on your religious beliefs. Welcome to America, where we have freedom of and FROM religion.

Now butt the fuck outta my uterus.

[Crunchy Frog]

57. Oh noes! You're persecuting the Christian!

It's started already.

[snake in the grass]

47. The solution is very simple.

If you are against same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. If you are against abortion, don't have one.

Let other people make decisions for their own lives!

[juno jones]

56. No.

Besides if you really were *libertarian* then why should you care? I thought you guys were against government involvement in personal lives...oh I get it you're concerned when you might be prevented from exploiting and ripping off others financially in the 'free market', or when you might have to contribute to the commonweal, but when it comes to women's bodies, well then that's a horse of a different color....


Hypocrite.

[AzDar]

69. Don't want a surgical procedure? Then don't have one. But don't try to tell me I can't.

KTHXBAI.

[annabanana]

73. The Spirit enters the Body with the first breath....

(Just thought you should know)

[Marrah_G]

81. Excuse me while this Wiccan finishes giggling over American Christians claims of persecution

You really don't want to start claiming religious persecution on this board.

[Jazzgirl]

85. No "we" shouldn't and you are probably on the wrong

site. Don't try to convince me to think like you 'cuz it won't work! I believe women have a right to make their own decisions without interference from you or anybody. NO!!!!

[stopbush]

9. PLEASE! Let it be so!!

[Tangerine LaBamba]

10. They're getting dumber, and more arrogant

I didn't think it was possible, but these fuckers continue to pretend that there's no such thing as our Constitution, and they never figured out that our country was founded on the premise of freedom FROM religion. It's about choice.

If you say "choice" to these dickwads, they'll go up in smoke.

Blather, blather, blather. They're so arrogant, they just can't believe that they've been called on their bullshit.

Weenies. Whining little weenies.

[Sal Minella]

31. I have this mental image of these wackoids in white robes, clutching crucifixes to their bosoms,

looking heavenward pathetically as they wait for us liberals to set them on fire or something. It never occurs to them that "Live and let live" is a workable solution, so they think nobody can grasp the idea. A lot of us have bumbled along for many decades with that philosophy, actually.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

76. And we've done all right

My basic philosophy regarding other people, which is, "I don't give a shit what you do, just don't get it on me," has worked out pretty well for me, and I expect that's what our Founding Fathers had in mind when they drafted that pesky document that those whackjobs routinely ignore.

[msongs]

12. oh NO maybe an amendment saying the CANNOT be married??? or worse, DIVORCED nt

[yourout]

14. Elections have consequences.......or something like that.

[johnfunk]

16. You want some persecution, Fundies? Let's start with Prop 8

Then we'll segue to taking away the right of a woman who has been raped to terminate the pregnancy.

But we'll take a detour to your local school board where you try to bully science teachers into not teaching science.

Persecution? Sounds to me like the Fundies are projecting.

[OHdem10]

18. If you look for trouble, you will make it,,dear Christians.

On Fox tonight "Obama scares people--seemed to be the theme or "talking
points."

This is how the GOP appears to hold sway over their base???

[DBoon]

19. They are persecuted if they can't beat gays to death?

Hate crime legislation is persecution?

Kind of like Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats opposing Federal anti-lynching laws?

Fuck you Tony Perkins

[marmar]

21. That's kinda what they're hinting at....

They're terrified that their anti-LGBT and anti-Muslim terrorism might be stifled by expanded hate crimes laws.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. American Christianity is a F cult nt

[Catholic Libertarian]

24. Re: American Christianity is a F cult nt

There are true cults like the LDS, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Scientologists. And there are several fundamentalist Protestant sects I would call a cult.

But to condemn the entire body of American Christianity is intellectually dishonest and morally illegitimate.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. I don't know. Who is spared? Maybe the Quakers and the UCC, but the rest??

The rest were riding the fun bandwagon while the Repukes were regaling the churches with money and attention. If at some point there were some that didn't agree and fought it, I sure don't know about them!

In my opinion, they were all complicit in a very evil scheme.

[jhrobbins]

37. Twasn't too long ago that American Catholicism was considered

a cult and were definitely considered 2nd class Americans. (Just like Jews, Italians, Irish, etc,etc were before them). You inhabit a rather fragile glass house to be casting such large stones.

[Catholic Libertarian]

51. Re: Twasn't too long ago that American Catholicism was considered a cult...

JHRobbins: you are right. :)

One of the most egregious examples was the case of Mary Surratt, who was indicted as a conspirator in the Abraham Lincoln assassination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Surratt

By the way, Tony Blair is a convert.

[TNOE]

88. Yea, the Catholics...........

The grand ole tradition of "The Crusades" and priests raping little boys and girls in their care. Perhaps it would be best if, like Jesus says, that you get the boulder out of your own eye before you worry about the pebble in another's eye.

If having an abortion is such an abomination to God - why did he not address that fact in his Bible? It isn't mentioned - only thou shalt not kill. Period. In Ancient Rome, during the days Jesus walked the streets there - it was quite a common practice for women to end their unwanted pregnancies. You would think if Jesus had a problem with that - he might have mentioned it. At least once.

Also - once the government has control over women's bodies and their reproductive rights - how many children do you think it would be appropriate for the government to dictate a woman have? 1 Boy & 1 Girl - or 2 Boys and 0 Girls, how would you like to see that situation handled?

Now, can you see why it shouldn't be any of yours or the government's business yet?

[chalky]

46. Wow. A libertarian who's anti-choice. Who knew?

n/t

[conscious evolution]

67. As a polytheist,I find christianity

and monotheism intellectually dishonest and certainly without legitimacy.

[Zhade]

39. Might as well go all out and drop the "American" bit.

NT!

[TexasObserver]

22. If they can't practice their bigotry, they're being discriminated against.

THAT is the fundie rationale in all things. They're not imposing baby Jesus on you. YOU'RE imposing your humanism on them.

[MaryEllen9399]

66. I totally agree

the fundies have done enough damage to this country as it is.

[rockymountaindem]

23. How is ENDA anti-Christian?

[Chovexani]

29. These SOBs make me want to bring back lions

If they want to see real persecution of Christians, I suggest they take a gander at their Assyrian cousins over in Iraq.

Of course then we would have to point out that those Christians actually had it better under Saddam than they do now, and it would hurt their little brains too much.

[NC_Nurse]

30. They love the victim role. Quick! Someone refresh their stigmata!

:eyes:

[Shallah Kali]

33. They think they are oppressed & persecuted because we won't let them force their beliefs upon us.

This is a way to rally their base, inspire herd mentality making them too afraid to venture out into the big evil demon infested world full of scary liberals wanting to do terrible things let homosexuals commit to monogamy and let women be in control of their own blessed bodies.

I am glad people are keeping an eye on what these radical religious groups are up to. Remember their resurgence after Clinton was elected - they had their paranoid fears to drive them. Electing a man a shocking number is the anti-Christ must be *really* flipping them out. Some of these groups believe that they must take over the US government before Jesus can return so for these and other reasons they won't give up. They can still cause damage hindering the Obama administration and stiring up hate and discontent in local and state politics. by keeping an cautious eye on them and educating our moderate to liberal but not politcally active friends and family we can prevent one of their open or stealth candidates from getting into office and wreaking w-esque havoc even on a small scale.

[Indenturedebtor]

34. How about these people just f off and rapture themselves already!

I'm so sick of these assholes trying to force their religion down everyone else's throats. This isn't the goddamn dark ages anymore you horrid trolls.

I'm no christian, but I'm certain that Jesus would have spit on these people.

[NorthernSpy]

35. just can't get their heads around the fact that most Americans don't agree with them...

They keep fantasizing that there's some "silent majority" out there, waiting to carry them to victory. For some reason, they just can't seem to accept that their views actually put them in minority on issue after issue.

[ACTION BASTARD]

36. Well, I'll be out on the veranda smoking my Arturo Fuente since your

already on the cross.

Get used to going back to the kid table Christian white supremacists. The grown up take over in January 09.

[Swamp Rat]

38. May the Rapture soon be upon them

:D

[Cabcere]

40. "And I think even our freedoms are going to come under attack."

Has this douchebag not been paying any attention at all for the last 8 years? :wtf:

[That Is Quite Enough]

43. Mm, just more of the Christian Persecution Complex. Nothing new.

[HEyHEY]

50. Obama is a reasonable man, those fuckers are lucky I'm not running things.

[6000eliot]

54. If only!

Fuckers have been persecuting gay people long enough!

[Norrin Radd]

55. I love how they think Palin is "pro-family," or moral in any way shape or form.

Such delusion! She is anything but Christ-like in her behavior.

[TWiley]

58. They did this with Clinton .... Malitia membeship soared

Then those loving christians bombed Oklahoma City

[LiberalPersona]

60. Like anyone could possibly reach any further than Bush did

with his constant attempts to tear the Constitution to pieces and change it with bigoted amendments under the pressure of fundies.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

61. Persecution = Losing their grip on power.

No more presidential prayer team, no more instant access to the WH, and no more free cash to spend without following guidelines.

You foisted Palin on McCain. You played your hand and it failed.

Get. Over. It.

[ProfessorGAC]

63. Good. I'll Be Torquemada

Them being scared is a good thing. Maybe they'll shut up and hide for a while. I'm so tired of hearing them whine.
The Professor

[Cobalt-60]

64. We'll put them through Gay Sterotype Camps

They'll get all buff and groomed against their wills.
Ruthless specialists from Key West and San Francisco will force them into stylish clothes.
And we'll shackle every one of them to a little poodle.
Muhuhuhhaaaa.
When they sashay back to Branson they'll be the hottest girls in town.

[pstokely]

65. Even Branson has sin?

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20081010/BREAKING01/81010039

[conscious evolution]

68. LMAO!!

[workinclasszero]

70. These people are republicans first, Christians second

Of course they are going to paint the dems as agents of the anti-Christ because the republican party operates on fear and loathing now.

Any rational thinking rethug has already hit the exit door out of the know-nothing Rush Limbaugh party.

I mean the future leader of the know-nothing republicans is Sarah Palin, for crying out loud!:rofl:

I look for the dems to control the government for a generation at least until all these anti-intellectual rethugs die of old age! Limpballs, Handjob and the rest of Hate Radio will never let the moderate wing of the thug party rise again.

The Dems got it made!

[annabanana]

72. Boy..."their" God must be pathetic.. .

a real wimp.

[JHB]

74. Is that projection system tax deductible? n/t

[47of74]

75. Methinks I hear the GOP Waaahmbulance...

[B Calm]

77. Instead of praying for Obama, this is what they're doing! Sorry asses!

[zonmoy]

78. The christians are the best evidence of gods malevolent nature.

second best evidence is the bible itself.

[Canuckistanian]

80. These fat, well-fed fundies have NO IDEA what persecution is

Persecution? Tell that to the Holocaust survivors. Or the Kosavars. Or people of Western Darfur.

Hate-crime legislation? Oh, the humanity!

[Liberalynn]

82. What Dean's Courship Efforts Weren't Enough For Them?

He was just congratulating himself for successfully wooing religious evangelicals this morning.

They are not satisfied all ready, crying persecution as a form of blackmail, and demanding more surrender to their goals all ready? Que suprise! Who could have seen that coming?

I really hope that President Obama will stand up to them, and get them out of our government. If he meant what he said about understanding the need for seperation of church and state, then maybe he will.

I say we give them not one more inch, and take back every inch they have all ready overstepped, but I gave up quite a bit of hope about that, after hearing Dean's words this morning.

Forgive me but in that moment, I felt that we are apparently just going to keep asking how hard and how often they prefer their butts to be kissed.

Ban me if you want for feeling that way, and posting about it, but I still am upset that we feel any need to comprise at all on seperation of church and state. Its not right when the Pukes do it, and its not right when we do it either.

I cannot change how I feel on that. I love the Constitution above all else. Its why I became a Democrat to begin with, and that they, its last great hope, may not stick up for it either, scares me more than just a little. It may not be a realistic fear, but its a fear that's there none the less.

Sorry I know we are not supposed to criticize ourselves so soon either, but it ticked me off, and I have been ticked off all day.

When are we going to quit allowing ourselves to be cowed by these nutcases and stop the pandering? We won the election now. So when can we stop and will we? Can someone answer me that?

[earth mom]

87. Actually, the rethuglicans should be fearful of PROSECUTION since they're all a bunch of criminals.

:puke:

[DiverDave]

91. I just ignore them

just like the playground bully, they'll go away.

[bobbolink]

92. sing to the tune of "Tradition", from Fiddler... "Projection, PROJECTION"!!

They fear it, because it's what they do best.

Sad....

And, a reminder.. there are plenty of Evangelicals who have consistently voted Democratic, and aren't paranoid.... Jim Wallis is first and foremost.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

95. It would probably help if they stopped praying to golden cows.

I remember reading that in a book somewhere. :shrug: