CRAP! (TPM) Reports Leadership Will Propose That Lieberman Keep Homeland Security Chairmanship

[Ichingcarpenter]

When Senate Dems caucus tomorrow, the Democratic leadership is likely to propose that he keep his homeland security chairmanship but lose a lesser sub-committee chairmanship instead, according to a source familiar with the situation.

If it happens that way, Senate Dems will be allowing Lieberman to keep his plum spot despite the fact that he has been a disaster at the post, and despite the fact that he endorsed efforts by the GOP to imply that Obama is in league with terrorists, suggested that Obama endangered our troops, and said Obama hasn't always put the country first.

According to the source, the Dem leadership is expected to propose instead that Lieberman be stripped of his chairmanship of the lesser Environment and Public Works subcommittee, a comparatively meaningless punitive action.

The move, which is not un-expected and was reported earlier in Roll Call, comes despite the fact that Lieberman had lost momentum in recent days, with Senators Patrick Leahy, Bernie Sanders and Byron Dorgan all expressing strong opposition to him keeping the chairmanship. Even a Lieberman ally, Senator Tom Carper, said today that Lieberman should face consequences that are not "insignificant."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/source_dem_caucus_wont_vote_to.php

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[AlCzervik]

2. i'm waiting until tomorrow, no use being pissed tonight and tomorrow.

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. Kos has a comment on this

Um, what idiot would think that taking away a subcommittee from Lieberman would be seen as a "stinging rebuke"? In whose DC-Beltway-addled mind is that even remotely punishment?

Let Lieberman keep that subcommittee. No one gives a shit about it. The only thing that matters, the only thing that Lieberman wants, and the only thing we don't want him to have -- is the chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee.

If this is the "starting point", and given the Senate Democrats' history of capitulations, expect Lieberman to come out of that meeting as majority leader.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/17/164127/72/694/662392

I'll wait until tomorrow myself but so far two sources have repeated the story.
I wish at least the final vote could be known not who voted what, but what the final tally was.

[AlCzervik]

10. i'll wait because for all we know it was someone from Lieberman's office floating this

in hopes that it will make it so.

[underpants]

3. This is the Security industry money talking

They know Joe and they know that Joe will do everything to keep their $200 Billion industry alive and kicking

[fascisthunter]

6. Which Means our Dem Leadership is CORRUPT

not much you can change when your own party has a leadership like this.

[Junkdrawer]

18. You'll never guess which country has the fastest growing security industry...

Not in a million years...

http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2007/06/laboratory-fortressed-world

[underpants]

35. Exactly

thanks for the link

[BrklynLiberal]

4. That is not right....just not right...Did he have to actually take a knife and put it into Obama's

back?

[tularetom]

5. It is a given that the Dem "leadership" are invertebrates

Maybe the rest of the caucus will have the huevos to give Loserman the axe.

[asjr]

8. Blackmail does work.

[fascisthunter]

9. The Democratic Leadership Needs to Be Investigated

I think they are all in on the abuses of power we have seen from Bush. I believe they protected him from accountability because they too are part of his many crimes.

Time to wake up Democratic voters!

[Individualist]

21. Specifically the Democratic Leadership Council

It's pretty obvious they're still controlling the party.

[fascisthunter]

22. Exactly....

to me they are nothing but a bunch of fascists hiding behind a (D).

[123infinity]

11. Better put on some asbestos underwear...I posted about this an hour ago and got

stomped on with both boots from the 'hear no evil' crowd.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Yes, I saw that.... I was about to slam you too but decided to

search the story down before I did. Sometimes its better to chose
careful titles when bringing bad news.


Usually its kill the messenger here if its not worded carefully.

It sucks doesn't it?

[123infinity]

37. It was not something I was pleased to report, but I thought it was worthy of mention.

I guess I forgot how necessary it is to walk on eggs here.
:eyes:

[Beetwasher]

15. No You Didn't

Your post was bullshit and a total misrepresentation of the story.

[123infinity]

36. My post was what CNN said, ;you fucking chickenshit coward asshole.

Fuck off and die, asshole.
Jesusfuckingchrist, I'm appalled by the River in Egypt pricks around here who can't stand any criticism of their Messiah.

[Beetwasher]

38. Liar

Prove it Mr. "I TIVO'D It! I'll post the video!" Then "Oops, actually I didn't TIVO it...".

I called you on your bullshit, then you conveniently didn't really actually TIVO it. :rofl:

Now every story totally you misrepresented BADLY what the story was about.

Liar.

Post the video, or admit you're a lying shit stirrer. Put up or shut up.

[dixiegrrrrl]

12. So we know who the traitorous Dems are, right?

So RIGHT NOW we start preparing for the next round of Senate elections, in ...2012, is it?

Obama has a big enough struggle with all the Republican caused issues.
Looks like he has to deal with his own party in the Senate.

Who on that committee were for the scurrilous quisling?

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. Tomorrow, You will never know who or even how many voted for or against

the measure. Just the final outcome of the vote.

[jkilvik]

16. Wonder if Reid will dare frown at him in public? n/t

[gaiilonfong]

17. Harry Reid, Bayh et al ALL STINK

and are cowards and weak....

what a bunch of LOSERS, they deserve each other...I am starting o feel everything will friggin stay the same.

[mzteris]

19. that's okay -

'cause aren't they going to do away with that whole ridiculous "Homeland Security" schtick anyways?

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

20. Waiter...Waiter...I'll have what she's smoking....n/t

[mzteris]

29. a girl can dream,

can't she?

:P

[fascisthunter]

24. where the hell did you Hear That?

[mzteris]

30. no where, but

wouldn't it be wonderful?

At the very damn least - get rid of that STUPID NAME "Homeland" - may as well call the Presdident "Fuhrer" and be done with it.

[fascisthunter]

32. true but like most thinks we want, Our Leadership Don't Give a Fuck

we have traitors in our own political party

[onenote]

23. Before everyone decides this is the end of the world as we know it

why don't we wait and see how it plays out. Leadership has a major say-so in what the jurisdiction of a committee is and what legislation gets referred to a particular committee. Let's see what Lieberman's committee looks like when the new Congress finishes organizing itself. It may turn out to be less than what it is now.

[librechik]

31. fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me 500 thirty three and a third times

and damn, why am I still a Democrat?

[ACTION BASTARD]

25. Meh. Lieberman swings with whoever is in power or most likely to win.

I'm sure the Dems pulled him aside and put the bite on him. Lieberman is gonna be a good boy from here on out.

[casus belli]

26. Taking the high road is not always the best solution...

his Republican buddies have long preached personal responsibility and he has gone out of his way to affiliate himself with their point of view, so let's treat him as he has asked to be treated and hold him accountable for his betrayal. I don't see any advantage in leaving this Judas in the fold so he can time his next defection to maximize harm to the Democratic party. We know he can't be trusted, so why pretend?

[GoesTo11]

27. Can't Obama make Lieberman Sec. of State?

and then fire him as soon as he resigns from the senate.

[fascisthunter]

34. I Really Don't Think Obama Wants To...

something smells rotten in DC. And I don't buy the bipartisan shit either...

[Are_grits_groceries]

28. How can anybody trust Lieberman to do anything??

Bayh was wrong. They can't just yank the chairmanship from him. It would be open to filibuster. The Dems did it when The Rs wanted to oust Mark Hatfield years ago. Lieberman is out for Lieberman. He will do what he wants, and they better hope it is what they want.
As far a 60votes go, why would anybody count on Lieberman for that?? I don't see an upside to keeping him in that position. It's too important.
Unless, as I read somewhere, they would dissolve that committee. Don't know how that works either.
This is very upsetting to me!! Why do you reward a traitor? He dissed all of us and enjoyed it.

[Le Taz Hot]

33. There was a reason this was leaked last week.

Just like the Hillary leak -- it gives the party faithful time to come up with excuses to rationalize it all.

Trust me, they're both true. It they weren't a press release would have been submitted early on.

Don't ya just LERV ya some Rahm? :puke: