Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Christian Church leaders call Sun Myung Moon the “Devil and Anti-Christ”

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:58 AM
Original message
Christian Church leaders call Sun Myung Moon the “Devil and Anti-Christ”
After spending billions in overseas cash propping up and molding right wing and theocratic politics in the USA -- Moon is taking the face he gained here and is cashing it in on his real plan, subduing the planet by gathering the religious under his wing.

The Moon organization is working on island nations in particular. He has some in his corner but seems a few Christians, including the Catholic Church, in the Solomon Islands are standing up. Odd, for Moon has had full run of places like the Philippines for years and the church hasn't said diddly so far. The Philippines supports Moon's proposals to theocratize the UN. The Moonies claim that they have trained so many chiefs and politicians in the island nation of Vanuatu that "even if some Christian ministers want to oppose us, they can’t do it."

The media says nothing but if you read through this link you will have the basics of what Moon is doing now. There is also info on Moon's money and how the Bush's promote his "messianic" mission. Yes, they promote Moon's fronts which are designed to implement his "messiah" mission. For some reason people skirt calling it that but in fact the Bushes promote Moon fronts designed to subdue the world for his organization in his role as the "Messiah."

One more time....the Bushes support Moon in his role as the Messiah, period.

Moon Tribune

Christian Church leaders call Sun Myung Moon the “Devil and Anti-Christ”

The Solomon Times reports that Christian Church leaders have called for a boycott of the Global Peace Festival to be held in Honiara this Saturday, November 29, 2008, because it is the work of Sun Myung Moon, describing him as the “Devil and the Anti-Christ, the end time figure spoken of in the Book of Revelation.” <...>

The Global Peace Festivals have been taking place around the world and are organized by Sun Myung Moon’s world wide political machine, the Universal Peace Federation(UPF). Moon claims to be the Messiah, the Lord of the Second Advent here to save God’s creation for Him by fulfilling Jesus Christ’s failed mission. Moon said in the 70s: “The present U.N. must be annihilated by our power.” He also told his followers that they “must make a new U.N.” Moon created the UPF when his long sought plans to have the actual United Nations add a separate and superior theocratic body to the UN structure hit a snag. <...>

much more... Moon Tribune




http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/2004/10/independent-washington-times.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:03 AM
Response to Original message
1. I don't like to think he has any power, but mindblowingly - he does.
I've watched plenty of vids on them (his church), and they're wacky and corrupt. And to know that Bush Sr and Falwell and others were so buddy buddy with him in the 90's says a lot. He's creepy as hell... I know that much.

Trade the cross in for a crown (his), as he says to Christian church leaders? How about he check himself in for review of his delusions!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:09 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. please rec if you thought the link informative
and yes, he has huge power and people still laugh at him. He knew exactly what he was doing here with the billions for the Washington Times, all his fronts, operatives and people like Viguerie, Falwell, Lahaye and others he funded. NO ONE outspent him molding the right far right. NO ONE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
15. It's not just Bush and Falwell that were buddy-buddy with him, one of Blago's top contenders
for the Senate seat Congressman Danny Davis from the West side of Chicago carried a crown on a pillow inside the Capitol just a few years back to award Moon with some peace award or something.

Just saying, we have to keep an eye on any politician how is lauding this dude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Davis says he no longer does the Moon thing
not because it was wrong but that he caught too much flak for doing so. The lack of discernment in helping out at the crowning of Moon should keep him off any short list for the Obama seat. For some reason people don't mention Roscoe Bartlett, the repub who helped in the ceremony, much.

There are lot of politicians who send Moon greetings but most don't have clue what they are doing, imo. But to help crown Moon is off the board. (Davis carried Mrs. Messiah's crown - Bartlett her robes) The ceremony to the moonies actually represented America "surrendering" to Moon. In many ways we have since Reagan gave the right the high sign that is was OK to work with Moon by accepting the Washington Times. Moon's top aid back then said told a Moon congregation that he and Josette Shiner met Reagan during the 1980 campaign and that Reagan told him that he "needed Rev. Moon's prayers" and "support." Moon has declared many reason for creating the WT, one was to "protect Reagan."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. the flaw in his plan is that he is old and will die eventually. good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:11 AM
Response to Original message
3. That man is certifiably bonkers...and coming from me,
that's saying something.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. haha
I am sure you have big old house on Sane Ave. compared the old devil. :7



Photo:

Neil Bush dines with Moon during Moon's promo tour for the Universal Peace Federation, the front which is the culmination of his life's plans to influence the world. The UPF is what Moon started when the United Nations did go along with his idea to theocratize the UN by adding a theocratic body to the UN structure. Neil is on the left sitting between Jose DeVenecia the former Speaker of the House of the Philippine's(to Bush's right) and Doug Joo Chairman of the Washington Times. DeVenecia is the one who told thousands in Korea that Moon was leading their efforts to promote a religious body at the United Nations. Mr. and Mrs. Messiah have their backs to the camera.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #4
32. oops
The UPF is what Moon started when the United Nations did go along with his idea to theocratize the UN by adding a theocratic body to the UN structure.

Should read:

The UPF is what Moon started when the United Nations did NOT go along with his idea to theocratize the UN by adding a theocratic body to the UN structure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. haha
I am sure you have big old house on Sane Ave. compared the old devil. :7



Photo:

Neil Bush dines with Moon during Moon's promo tour for the Universal Peace Federation, the front which is the culmination of his life's plans to influence the world. The UPF is what Moon started when the United Nations did go along with his idea to theocratize the UN by adding a theocratic body to the UN structure. Neil is on the left sitting between Jose DeVenecia the former Speaker of the House of the Philippine's(to Bush's right) and Doug Joo Chairman of the Washington Times. DeVenecia is the one who told thousands in Korea that Moon was leading their efforts to promote a religious body at the United Nations. Mr. and Mrs. Messiah have their backs to the camera.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. sorry for the dupe...if a mod happens through here
please delete my dupe post. :7
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:00 AM
Response to Original message
6. ....
In 1997 Moon received criticism from gay rights advocates based on comments he made in a speech to church members, in which he said: "What is the meaning of lesbians and homosexuals? That is the place where all different kinds of dung collect. We have to end that behavior. When this kind of dirty relationship is taking place between human beings, God cannot be happy," and referred to homosexuals as "dung-eating dogs." <65> <66> He also said in 2007 that "free sex and homosexuality both are the madness of the lowest of the human race," and that God detests such behavior the most, while Satan lauds such decadent behavior the most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Myung_Moon#Criticism_and_controversies
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. When Boston was debating the gay marriage issue
the Moonies bragged about gathering thousands of signatures to get the state government to step in and stop it. They once had posted pictures of them showing photos to Moon of Moonie kids marching in Boston. Moon was laughing. He knows how he has manipulated our political system and brags about "influencing" America through the paper and his "other activities," the media just won't say it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:06 AM
Response to Original message
7. compared to Moon, Scientologists are amateurs. He intends to usurp the Vatican in terms of power.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 05:12 AM
Response to Original message
8. Moon is seen as a serious threat by the Catholic Church?
Great. About time they lost a little market share.
This is all about money and power, you know.

Poor God - his name is always used by these guys, but he gets no respect.

mark
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Poor God, indeed...
What people will do and say in the name of God is appalling. They aren't doing him any favors; they are giving him a bad name!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. And I wonder what they are doing with all the money they
collect for him.....


mark
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Why is God always broke?
I wonder if there's a special place in hell for those who use God's name in vain.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:32 AM
Response to Original message
9. Dirksen Senate Building Coronation...
My Rep was there, was yours?

-Hoot
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:38 AM
Response to Original message
10. I remember in the 70's
Moon, the Maharishi, Hare Krishnas, and Baghwan Rajneesh were all up there in terms of societal devils who were going to steal your kids and brainwash them. Three of those groups have faded heavily into the woodwork since the crackdowns in the late 70's and early 80's. And you gotta give both the Maharishi and Rajneesh credit for not really desiring to pervert american politics.

But Moon is still here. And he's mondo rich and he apparently owns a chunk of our government. And has his own paper.

The only difference I can find is that he apparently greased the right palms and claims a sort of x-tianist faith.

I just love the pic of Jebbie Bush, sword in hand, looking like a d&d geek while channeling his Moonie ancient warrior guide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:47 AM
Response to Original message
11. So many Anti-Christs, so little time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:50 AM
Response to Original message
12. as they renew their subscriptions to the Washington Times ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:53 AM
Response to Original message
13. Organized crime boss, yes. Devil and Anti-Christ, no.
Let's get our terms straight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. he may not be "the" antichrist but he is
anti Christ in that he teaches (from the link) Jesus failed and now serves Moon's dead son in heaven.

The Christian right is always on the lookout for the great deception, they have already been.

Tim LaHaye visited Moon when the old devil was in prison for tax evasion and conspiracy. Did LaHaye try to convert Moon and get him to "accept" Jesus as his Lord and Savior? No, LaHaye apologized to Moon on behalf of the US government for jailing him.

Falwell helping to promote Moon's mission and taking his cash has to be one of the greatest examples of a lack of discernment by any preacher in history.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. It only goes to show, the Christian Right cares more about supporting fascism than their own church

Moon started out with the support of Korean fascists leftover from WWII, and now doesn't he control major criminal elements in Japan? He may still have a lot of power in Asia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. Japanese facists not Korean
You ever read "inside the League"? The moonies will claim that Moon stopped their support of fascists in the 70s because they were anti-Semitic but that is a lie. He supported torturing dictators like Stroessner. In fact, a man in Paraguay, Mr. Almada, has uncovered what he calls the "Archives of Terror" which documents the torture/killing. He says when Jimmie Carter put squash on Operation Condor, Moon stepped in to fill the void and support the dictators.

1984 17th Annual World Anti-Communist League convention San Diego, Ca.

General Alfredo Stroessner, the dictator of Paraguay, sent a telegram thanking the League for “Defending the world from the Marxist tyranny,” then went on to boast breathlessly of his own contributions to the cause. …

Another element objectionable to some mainstream conservatives, the Unification Church, had not been purged in San Diego. In fact, its presence had grown. Many of the American observers to the conference were involved with Reverend Sun Myung Moon through any one of his myriad front groups. Among these were Ray Cline, Director of the United States Global Security Council, and Roger Fontaine, a former National Security Council official and currently a reporter for the Moon-owned Washington Times. The Reverend Moon may have called the League a “fascist” organization in 1975, but he still wanted to be part of it in 1984. ("Inside the League” – Scott Anderson and Jon Lee Anderson 1986)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. I believe the League kicked Moon out for being too fascist...

also, Korea was part of the Japanese empire in WWII, so that's pretty much what I meant. He had the support of right-wing war criminals:

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5698


Parry goes on to describe how Moon is connected with the Korean CIA, rightwing Japanese WWII war criminals Yoshio Kodama and Ryoichi Sasakawa, who "grew rich from their association with the yakuza, an organized crime syndicate that profited off drug smuggling, gambling and prostitution in Japan and Korea," and an assortment of different rightwing regimes in Latin America during the 1980s, including the notorious Cocaine Coup government of Bolivia. This also, inevitable, involved connections to the Nicaraguan Contras cocaine dealing.


Notice the overlap with the CIA.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. I believe the League kicked Moon out for being too fascist...
heh. Fraser reported on ties between he and the Korean CIA, which is like our CIA and the FBI rolled into one. They do domestic also.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/fraser-report/index.html

Have you watched the BBC doc? They discuss some of this in it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2215097044216099155&hl=en
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 03:58 AM
Response to Reply #29
33. You should also see this special report by Robert Parry from Dec. 2006...

http://www.truthout.org/article/robert-parry-the-gops-3-billion-propaganda-organ

It goes into extensive detail about Moon's involvement in Iran-Contra and the nexus of right-wing anti-communist operations in Latin America, drug running and money laundering, influence peddling in Washington, and how he helped to bring the Bush family to power. If his organization is the principle force behind the BFEE, then maybe he deserves to be called the anti-Christ.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 07:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
34. Never thought of the term "anti Christ" quite that way, thanks.
Good point. For example, I think a lot of right wing evangelicals are most certainly "anti Christ."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:05 PM
Response to Original message
14. he also has a monopoly on the world's fisheries
For those who don't know this, they ought to be aware that restaurant-grade sushi is controlled by the Moon organization world-wide. When you eat sushi, you support the mind-control operations of this cult.

Gloucester, Massachusetts, one of America's oldest fishing ports, is almost exclusively owned and occupied by Moonies now.

Wake up, people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. I understand he is the number one employer in Kodiak, AK
and you are right that if you eat sushi you are likely to be supporting him. The Chicago Tribune reported that of the 9,000 sushi restaurants in the country, Moon supplies 7,000 of them. In 1990 NBC reported that he "controlled" 1/3 of the US fishing industry and I am sure he isn't backing up. He recently joined forces in Japan with a company known for whaling.

His son, Kook Jin, who is in charge of making his businesses profitable, says that the Moon businesses have only ONE purpose, to make money for the movement. That is another way of saying support Moon in his role as the messiah.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. yeah, here's the circle
Sushi money goes to the Moon operation, then to the Washington Times which has lost untold millions of dollars in its time of operation while it has actively sought to destroy our country.

No thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Moon's daughter said it was "more than 2 billion"
dollars to fund the WT recently. A former 20 year reporter for the paper put the figure at 3 billion. Note that most of the cash comes from Japan where the Unification Church has been found guilty of swindling vast sums from widows. The claims are over 900 million and the lawyers say that is less than one tenth of the damages to the Japanese.

That's what's so astonishing, the right yammers about US citizen George Soros who gave about 20 million to liberal causes during the 2004 election cycle, yet non-citizen Moon funds the right with BILLIONS in overseas cash. MOON who says he wants to replace "American style democracy."

But you won't even see a dem politician mention any of this because they are blind uninformed fools and a few of them have played ball with Moon. The WP reported on a memo going from Moon's operative to conservatives working with Moon which said for them not to worry, the monies would get a couple dems involved to shut them up. It worked. You won't find anything liberal Moon has ever funded. He played a role in getting the right to hate the word. He helped mold their minds.

Scroll down in the link in my post to the Moontribune for more on the money.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #14
25. Shark poaching - check this audio out
the Freedom of Mind site pages have been very slow loading lately - firefox seems to help. Anyway check this out - toward the end he plainly tells Moon about the shark operation.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/test/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
22. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 08:21 PM
Response to Original message
30. So... His check bounced? - nm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
37. What about Moon's pals, like the Bush family, the GOP, and newspapers like the Washington Times?


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 03:43 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC