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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 05:22 PM Original message |
Larisa Alexandrovna: Mike Connell Plane Crash Update |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm not a pilot, |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Supposedly IFR and... |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Then certainly |
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landdolphin (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. FAA Spokesperson says Connell on ILS Approach to Runway 23 |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Well this is quite interesting |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. What are you talking about? |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. If I were one of Rove's plumbers... |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #97 |
112. You don't have to mess with the instrumentation, just fuck with the signal |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. ???Indications are Connell died from massive traumatic injuries? |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That's the sort of thing you will have... |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. True that |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Generally speaking, yes. |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. likely from being thrown i would think... the impact n/t |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. Thisi s profound |
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Is the inference a lack of condolences indicates foul play? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Deleted message |
annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. (ganging up on you all by hisself). . . . n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. I think it is at least an indicator of a massive failure of simple human feeling. |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. yep... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Where would we learn about it if condolences were offered? |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. right, because |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. You'd think there would have been at least a note from the leadership |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
43. maybe they were too busy working on the Libby pardon? |
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antipode (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't have a dog in this fight but I'm a commercial pilot and an aero engineer |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. i am asking questions |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Convenient |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. Bunker based high power neutron beams-- I KNEW IT!! |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. I Endorse Your Comments |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. About the only reasonable non-tampering scenario would be a stall. |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. that is what |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Full throttle could also be an indication of trying to recover from a stall. |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. he was |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. 1500 feet is the minimum for practicing a stall. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. I heard he's going to be Ken Lay's pilot |
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. Will Larisa respect the NTSB's findings? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Deleted message |
anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. I haven't attacked you at all, but... |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:58 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. you are right... |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
84. Are you still talking about me? |
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
50. Your response says a lot |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. shrug |
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Ellipsis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Fate at the hand of a flagpole... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. whatever else one says, it's a strange story |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. dude |
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youngharry (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. NTSB Report |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
69. hard to trust the NTSB- consider samantha smith's crash |
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pa28 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
14. One thing missing the NTSB will certainly zero in on. Pilot fatigue. |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. What the... |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. Stalling on landing approach... |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. would you |
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catnhatnh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. First the disclaimer...I am not a pilot....I just have time around that community... |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Er, no |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. so |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. That I can't answer - I just know in general what a stall is |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
103. Stalls at low altitude are very difficult to recover from |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. Power for altitude, attitude for airspeed. |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. At three miles out . . . |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I would expect his altitude to be sufficient at that distance out. But.. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
87. 900' AGL |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R 13 and ALL for LaLa_RawRaw. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-08 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
30. K&R |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
34. Someone has suggested it could be suicide. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Maybe, but you'd think that a less populated area would be preferred if so |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Very good point. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
61. Maybe I am naive, but the suicide element seems unlikely. Think about it. If you were |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. It is a little different then that, |
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landdolphin (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. Connell a profoundly religious man by all accounts |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
73. He was a devout Catholic |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. I think we can eliminate suicide from the answers to my post. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
37. K&R. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
38. Kicked an recced for sensible, level-headed speculation and useful information |
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TheUnspeakable (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
47. k&r |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
48. Known fuel issues with Connell's aircraft type |
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Minnesota_Lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
51. Crashed on approach - hmmm, so did Wellstone. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Within range. n/t |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. so did samantha smith-- see above |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. The on the job apologist are starting to make my christmas dinner |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Hear Hear!!!! |
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WinstonSmith4740 (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
62. This whole thing has bothered me since Day 1 |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Add the one reality we know about these people... |
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ogneopasno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. The things is, though...don't you think that if "Rove" had anything to do with either of them, |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. They don't learn, everything is scripted and confusion is not a |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
71. K&R |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
72. I was just watching the interview with Patty Sharaf |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. No, I don't believe I have |
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landdolphin (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. BINGO - Missing emails - that's the trail to follow me thinks |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
79. someone needs to ask B*sh or others about his death seeking condolences |
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Jambalaya (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
80. This story doesn't fly |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-26-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. See then this stuff starts... |
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annm4peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
85. similar to Wellstone's crash? |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Finally, after reading 85+ messages on this thread and some other threads, |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 03:25 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. I don't think they need to mess with the airplane to get pilot error |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. no, we don't know several of these things |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. i see well founded suspicions and speculation |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. yeah, sure you do |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. so you find absolute satisfaction in the catch 22 |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. you're putting lots of words in my mouth |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. OK, here's an example |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. "connell was apparently getting ready to make the statements" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. LOL |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. so is the "mob boss pissed at witness" scenario a movie fiction? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. is "boy meets girl" a movie fiction? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. the left is 'marginalized' |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. "connell was apparently getting ready..." |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. you moved the goalposts out of the stadium |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. then, with respect, you don't read very well |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. i though 'doing something wrong' referred to his |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. OK, slow down |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Funny how people take the time to post on DU and don't see any reason |
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msfiddlestix (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-27-08 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
89. Excellent reporting Larissa |
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yodoobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
102. In regards to the propeller |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. If you want to quantify how or why something happened then you |
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