itsrobert
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:44 PM
Original message |
Poll question: Seat or not Seat Burris? |
Faygo Kid
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:45 PM
Response to Original message |
|
The president-elect has made that clear.
So has the Senate. Goodbye, Rod. You're finished.
|
Taverner
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:47 PM
Response to Original message |
2. He's tainted. This is Blagojevich's last "FUCK YOU" to Illinois, the USA and the world. |
|
He wants to taint the otherwise stainless Burris with his own wrongdoing
He is, simply put, a dick
And on this one he won
If Burris sponsors any bill, Blagojevich knows the history will come up in the news
|
SoCalDem
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:47 PM
Response to Original message |
3. When Plaxico gets out of jail, let HIM decide |
trof
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:50 PM
Response to Original message |
4. 1. If the Illinois gov has the power to name an interim replacement... |
|
And i have no idea if this is true or not. But if it is and... Blago is still the sitting governor of Illinois... 2. Then he would still have the legal power to name a replacement. Is there any provision for the U.S.Senate to negate a State governor's appointment? Murky business.
|
TheWraith
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
12. Theoretically the Senate can refuse to seat a would-be senator. |
|
As far as I know, it's never happened before, so the legal precedent is questionable.
|
Freddie Stubbs
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:51 PM
Response to Original message |
5. Follow the Constitution |
ashling
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
|
The Constirution puts that power in the hands of the state, not Reid, or Obama. If Obama is worried about tainted government (or former)officials, he's got enough to deal with in Washington.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al.
|
LBJDemocrat
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
|
The law is the law. As long as Blagojevich is governor of Illinois, he has the right to appoint the senator.
|
ProdigalJunkMail
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
|
can run AMOK in the last days of his presidency...doesn't make it right...
sP
|
trof
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #10 |
11. Never confuse 'right', or 'justice' with THE LAW. |
SoCalDem
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #10 |
13. and he will.. His Poppy "gifted" Clinton with Somalia |
|
in his waning days..
and Junior has some doozies left up his sleeve too..count on it..
I would like to see legislation that BARS any lame-duck president (when the party changes) from making ANY pollicy/regulation changes after the elction, without congressional approval..and the same for pardons..no pardons after the election. they have YEARS to make pardons..no more 11th hour F-U pardons as they exit..
|
femmocrat
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
21. That's my opinion as well. |
|
Edited on Tue Dec-30-08 08:26 PM by femmocrat
Unless it is proven that Burris has some shady arrangement with Blago, it seems legit to me. I don't think Burris should be tarred with the same brush. Right now he looks like an acceptable candidate who could capably represent IL if given a fair opportunity.
|
dansolo
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #21 |
23. Especially since he is probably just a placeholder |
|
I think that the Dems are more concerned about risking an open election in 2010 than any Blagojevich taint. If Burris is only going to be a placeholder (he is 71 years old) then they should seat him and have an open election in 2010. Blegojevich is not going to resign, and he is not going to cede his authority to Pat Quinn. This Senate seat can be held up indefinitely, which means we have one less Democratic vote, since the state legislature has decided against a special election.
|
notesdev
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
|
"Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members,..."
The Senate can choose not to seat him if that is their will.
|
Freddie Stubbs
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #9 |
15. There was no election, so there will be no returns to judge |
|
The only other thing to judge will be his qualifications. As long as he is 30 years old, a citizen for at least nine years, and a resident of the state he represents he is qualified.
In 1969 The US Supreme Court ruled in Powell v. McCormack that someone who meets the constitutional requirements cannot be excluded. The only option the Senate has is to try to expel him, which would require a 2/3 vote.
|
elocs
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #15 |
19. Tsk, tsk. This is DU, where we do not allow facts get in the way of opinions. n/t |
notesdev
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #15 |
|
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_G._BilboMake sure you read the last few paragraphs about his time in the Senate.
|
Maru Kitteh
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 06:52 PM
Response to Original message |
rvablue
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
14. Me too....and frankly find it shocking that the majority of DUers who responded to this poll |
|
Do not.
Sad, sad commentary.
Imagine the heads exploding around here if Blago were a Repub.?
Let him go ahead and seat whoever.....and not a one of the Dem Senators will have the least thing to do with him.
|
Bonn1997
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #14 |
16. On what grounds would they keep him out? |
|
That he was appointed by an accused but not convicted governor? There are no plausible grounds for keeping him out other than that they don't "feel" like seating him. I'd rather have any loyal Democrat in the seat than have an open seat and need one more Republican vote on all bills.
|
rvablue
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Dec-31-08 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #16 |
25. There would be no need to have an "open seat" if the corrupt and hubris-filled |
|
and federally-indicted Blagojevich would step down and allow Quinn to appoint the Senate seat.
The voters of Illinois wanted Blago gone many months ago.....he had no confidence long before these recent developments.
If he cares one iota about the people of Illinois, the dignity of the appointment of this Senate seat, or the Democratic Party, he will step aside.
Unfortunately, the malignant narcissist only cares about, and has only ever cared about, HISSELF!
|
camera obscura
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 08:08 PM
Response to Original message |
17. I have no respect for Blago. BUT they should seat him provisionally - & hold a special election |
dansolo
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #17 |
24. But then they winner of that election would have to run for relection in 2010 |
|
Remember, Obama's term would have been up in 2010. The state should not have to pay for a special election, which can be quite expensive. If Burris is just going to be a placeholder, then they should seat him, and have an open election in 2010.
|
pitohui
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 08:11 PM
Response to Original message |
18. i'm leaning toward "seat the guy" |
|
he seems like a good guy, he seems untainted by the scandal, and it's another democratic butt in the chair during those crucial first months
what's not to like?
we can't undo what has been done, we can only go forward
not saying i'm right, i'm saying this is how i'm leaning, i'm sure a good argument could persuade me the other way -- but right now how do we benefit by NOT having burris in that seat?
|
Stinky The Clown
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Tue Dec-30-08 08:19 PM
Response to Original message |
20. No, do not seat him. And as Burris himself said, this isn't about him. |
|
I agree with Obama and the Democratic caucus on this one.
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Wed May 15th 2024, 06:30 PM
Response to Original message |