Stinky The Clown
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:51 PM
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Which is the better word to use right now? Prosecute or Investigate? |
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I am of a mind that we just go straight to sentencing, but that's just me.
The talkers in the media are speaking of Democrats "prosecuting" the former administration.
Maybe that term is too incendiary.
To say we are going to prosecute presumes we have sufficient evidence to go to trial. I suspect we do not - even though we KNOW they're guilty.
So maybe we ought to be saying we plan to investigate.
What do you think?
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:52 PM
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1. Call for a Special Prosecutor. |
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Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 05:53 PM by tekisui
ETA: They can investigate while the Dems take a hand's off approac h until they bring a case with a sure conviction.
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Stinky The Clown
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:17 PM
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Why a special prosecutor? |
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Why not let the Justice Department do what they're supposed to do - uphold federal law? The SP, it seems to me, just makes a circus of things.
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:06 PM
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22. I'll be happy with either. |
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:52 PM
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2. Investigate, then prosecute. nt |
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Presumably, that would lead to prosecutions.
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:53 PM
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4. In the name of all that's holy, PROSECUTE |
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Investigation will take all of five minutes, thanks to "the Google" and those whistleblowers who have already stepped forward.
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:54 PM
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5. my vote is for imprision... go straight to jail do not collect $200 |
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:55 PM
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6. Investigate what? Most of us have Bush and Cheney admitting to torture TiVo'd. |
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Fri Jan-23-09 05:56 PM
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:00 PM
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8. Prosecute him and get it over with. |
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:46 PM
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:02 PM
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9. Frame as invistigate so that we can actually get control of the DoJ |
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and then commence to prosecuting. Sneer and Smirk removed any path to "overlooking" the crimes because they are apparently so very proud of them.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:03 PM
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10. Persecute and immolate are my preferred terms. n/t |
Stinky The Clown
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:19 PM
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15. Immolate ... I like that |
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:14 PM
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if evidence is found, then prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Then convict and send them to a maximum security prison.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:15 PM
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12. investigate and if warranted, prosecute. |
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:17 PM
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The pugs were not afraid of words when they went after Clinton for lying about a BJ. Why are Dems so timid? Phrased and presented correctly, Americans will accept the word PROSECUTE.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:18 PM
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14. I believe it begins with hearings first then the investigation... |
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:43 PM
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16. Why do we need hearings? |
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Carjackers and kidnappers and civil rights violators (all federal crimes) don't get hearings. What got done by bushco is simple federal law violations. Prosecute them as common criminals. EVERYTHING we need to do that is in place .... except maybe the will.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:46 PM
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17. Investigate and then prosecute |
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The nasty details have to come out -- as many as we can possibly force the 'murikan public to hear/see. As much as I'd love to have all of them behind bars for war crimes, more than anything I want people to see the reality of what the Jack Bauer mentality leads to.
We know darned well that if they admit to waterboarding they MUST be doing other, worse things. If Sy Hersch is right about the screams of boys being sodomized, I want the pro-torture folks to have to listen to them.
Once we have all the evidence, then give them trials as public as OJ's. Only then should we lock 'em up and throw away the key.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:50 PM
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19. They would be technically correct in using "Prosecute" |
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I think that it incendiary. Prosecute technically means to instigate legal proceedings against someone or to find something out by means of legal process. An investigation would be the beginning of the prosecution of the legal process. However, most of us understand it to be that they will be automatically hauled in front of a judge and tried.
So, yes they are using it in a technically correct way, but the media always chooses words that will incite viewers and draw ratings.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:53 PM
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20. Investigate is a fine word -- even a Special Investigator. |
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The issue is that when sufficient evidence of wrongdoing is in hand, there must be a commitment to prosecute.
Of course, the RW is going to call any investigation a "witch hunt." The word "investigate" will not deter them. But it might matter to public opinion.
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Fri Jan-23-09 06:58 PM
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21. Investigate first then if there is a crime, try the guilty and then prosecute. |
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Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 06:59 PM by nc4bo
MUST prosecute. MUST prosecute. MUST prosecute. To the fullest extent of the law.
Investigations alone are worthless and a joke when no action is taken if there are findings of wrongdoing.
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:09 PM
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23. Prosecute, we have eight years of evidence against them. |
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We already have plenty to prosecute on, no need to drag things out any longer. They can still continue to investigate for additional charges, but they need to arrest these people on the charges that we already have substantial evidence on now.
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:14 PM
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24. Why waste time on further investigation when crimes have already been enumerated |
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in the Articles of Impeachment presented by Kucinich? PROSECUTE!
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:36 PM
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25. Those were articles of impeachment. Prosecution happens in courts, not congress |
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:43 PM
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26. Investigate absolutely - prosecution only occurs based on an investigation |
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Fri Jan-23-09 07:47 PM
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27. If you see a crime and it is recorded, not much investigation is needed. |
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Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 07:48 PM by mmonk
So it's pretty much up to trial or no enforcement of the law.
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