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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:55 PM Original message |
Elian in Cuba! |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes - He needed to go back. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm a dad |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:56 PM Original message |
I agree. I think the Miami family got off easy and they're lucky the raid was |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. I thought that Reno and the DOJ acted in accordance with law and that Elian |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. Elian needed to go back, and Reno did the right thing. There was |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. His mother was dead, right? And his father wanted his son back home. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. The raid was over the top |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Is he? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yes. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. He's so adorable |
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Ignacio Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. That "cutie pie" is now 13 |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
81. Wow... time flies! |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Wow |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Wow |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
77. Really |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #77 |
95. Willful ignorance |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:41 AM Response to Reply #95 |
108. I don't know why you keep attributing positions to me |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Don't know if I've ever even met a Cuban |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:58 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I agree with 1-4 |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #112 |
116. What's laughable is your pop psychology |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #116 |
122. You accuse me of pop psychology |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
127. Someone needs an Spanish to English dictionary |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Not over the top at all. Not one little bit. I was here during the whole |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. You do realize that there were hundreds of Cubans, etc surrounding the house |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Mother Theresa... |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I'm just saying g that the safety of the Agents had to be a concern |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I Agree Trumad...n/t |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Yes, poor poor armoured knights with machine guns |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
65. There was plenty of danger, and for more than those in the raid. They did the best |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #65 |
96. Paramilitary groups enforcing domestic law |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:39 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. No, the fact that no one died is a testimony to their planning and implementation. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:44 AM Response to Reply #100 |
109. ... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. You're full of shit. I can't believe you're defending these kidnapping assholes. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:59 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. I'm NOT, what I'm saying is that defaulting to a position of |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Your assumption is that a few armed officers would have done a better job is uninformed |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Explain your position. Why wouldn't they have been as effective? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:15 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Because the family had already promised resistence and an armed mob outside |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:27 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. The way I see it, using SWAT only increases the odds |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Since NO ONE was hurt it effectively demonstrates the way you see it is wrong. |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
67. Horse shit... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:49 AM Response to Reply #67 |
102. BINGO -- great post |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
69. Well, let's see: we've got bomb-happy CANF loons threatening violence.... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
92. If you all don't remember |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
91. Simplistic |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. It shouldn't happen in this country |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. "a lot worse has happened" |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. You say he should've gone with his dad, but the raid was too much. What, then, do you |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
93. You don't think there's a middle ground |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. When they've defiantly surrounded the home with dozens of anti-Castro people? No. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 07:39 AM Response to Reply #99 |
107. Here's your answer: it's common sense |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
126. How would they possibly know the people inside were unarmed? These people |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:50 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. SWAT teams are the apppropriate response to kidnappers. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. You're saying it shouldn't have happened |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
63. How else do you think they should have gotten him back to his family? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
86. the family forced it |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
101. His -- literally -- criminal and nutty relatives were breaking Federal law |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. The RW forced the show of power - but it was badly played on both sides. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. I agree with ALL of you!... |
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CottonBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
9. Reno was right: Elian belonged with his father at home in Cuba. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. From The Guardian |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. I remember the exploitation of that boy. Rudy Giuliani wanted him to |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
62. You're kidding, right? |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
82. All true about Giuliani |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Thank you! I rest my case. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. His father is not the American government. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
98. Nor they, he, which is more to the point. |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. I learned something important when Elian was seized |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. That's when I first had my epiphany about Fox, too! |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Really? It was, I think, a Sunday morning for me. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
104. ME TOO! |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #104 |
123. Didn't know that about Gloria |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I didn't until then |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. Isn't he nearly adult by now? |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I guess late teens by now?...n/t |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. Suppose Elian were your kid. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. It's a question. |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. Elian should be 12 or 13 this year sometime, I think. |
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dave_p (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Yes |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Actually he will be 14 in December. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. It Was a Child Custody Case - Period |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. Poor little kid. The effing media put him through a circus. |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
70. Do you remember Diane Sawyer glomming onto him? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. Everyone behaved badly in this. |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. Elian would be in a Miami gang right now |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
27. He needed to go home |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. Some would argue that the return cost Gore the election. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
31. He was the Terry Schiavo for Cuban Pukes. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. it has nothing to do with a country, dictator or someone we dont like. but a father and son. |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. They Wanted |
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RC Quake (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
40. I thought he should be returned. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. The travel ban is imposed by the US, not Cuba. Cuba welcomes American visitors |
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RC Quake (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. The difference is |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
105. I would be very, very surprised if they would have arrested her |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
41. Does a foreign father have parental rights? That's the end of it. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. He does when the courts say he does... |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. Nope, he does period. |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
44. At the time I was the single father to a teenager |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Don't get me started talking about Elian. I remember it well.:) |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. The aftermath was sickening. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
48. Yes dads come first |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
49. For a child to be robbed from his father because of political beliefs is wrong. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
53. I'll bet that if the roles were reversed |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. 100% agreed. Janet Reno was far more patient than I'd have been. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
54. A couple of more recent photos: |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. "A spokesman for the Florida relatives said Elian had been brainwashed." |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. What a handsome young man |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
57. It was mostly a good outcome |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
64. He should have been returned to his father who was responsible for him. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
66. I recall being totally frustrated by the concept that people could not |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. No, No, No, No |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #66 |
94. Interesting. So you think if your kid somehow ends up in some foreign |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 06:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
106. Elian already had a guardian: his father. |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
68. Please, someone correct me |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. I remember the "Bingo bingo bingo". Those were the words INS agents used |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
74. That was such a fucking stupid situation... |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I don't understand Cuba |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. 2 reasons |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Good Points |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
128. One word: |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
75. I remember the behavior of Bob Smith (jerkoff) - NH |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Yeah. The dumbass flew the "Miami Relatives'" flying circus, |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
79. I can't believe that was only 7 yrs ago. I just looked it up. I would have guessed 15-20 yrs ago |
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DawgHouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
80. I thought they did the right thing and I still do. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
85. i was disgusted by those who wanted to keep him from his father |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. YES! A very exploited boy...n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
97. Well, since kidnapping a child from his father is a crime, I'd say it was proper to RESCUE HIM |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #97 |
125. His mother also broke the custody agreement by leaving with him |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
115. Dannie-lynne's father Good, Elian's father Bad, |
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120. Miami Cubans are crazy. nt |
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