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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:14 AM Original message |
Does anyone read anymore or just react RE: Arizona. |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. What does "REASONABLE SUSPICION" mean? (nt) |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. that's a VERY well established term in US case law |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Pretty much the way I see it |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. actually no. that's not what the bill says |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. and reasonable suspicion seems to be what you look like. do you LOOK |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
69. as i said, |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. In NYC, random stops are made half a million times a year |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
103. how would an officer in Phoenix have reasonable suspicion that someone is in the USA illegally? |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. The Tucson Police Chief has questions about it. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. i agree with him. that's PART of why i think this law is stupid |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Totally agree. And I think this is a law that could easily be abused. |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. Would you say that the Abson was a reasonable 'terry' stop, |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. dupe |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Reasonable Suspicion = Brown skin |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. It means, "I suspect you are here without documentation. Seems reasonable." |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. Let's look a little closer at recent history shall we? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The law doesn't go into effect until August |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Don't let the forest prevent seeing the trees |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Read post |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. fwiw, federal agents can stop w/in a border zone WITHOUT |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
11. Based upon what is written here |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I'm an American with a Swiss driver's license. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I would assume you have a passport |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I do, of course, have a US passport, |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #20 |
43. You'll definitely need a passport when flying between Switzerland and the US |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I have a US passport! |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Yes, you must use your US passport when entering the US |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. probably a good idea |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
65. Deleted message |
Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Try reading. It helps. |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:03 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Confusious |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Why? Is there some point you wish to make? |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You seem to be so intense on the topic I was wondering |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I knew you were going to get at something |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Oh one other thing |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
59. . |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
84. driver's license is papers. what if you don't drive. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. It says ANY STATE or FEDERAL ID. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
99. If a drivers license is equal to papers |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES. . |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Which ones don't? n/t |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I've never shown my birth certificate to get a driver's license |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. HI, IL, NM, UT, and WA |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. IF the entity requires proof of legal presence |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. So, a person from HI, IL, NM, UT, or WA should carry something stronger in AZ |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. That's right |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. so...as I have an IL license, I need my |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. Your Illinois Firearm Owner's Identification Card (FOID) would suffice |
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nickinSTL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I don't own a gun, and I'm sure not buying one |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. your missouri license is sufficient |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. I find it amazing I can be asked to bust out my id to buy a drink when I'm too old to have kids. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That's because nobody is talking about protecting people that are here illegally |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:28 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I'm not white. I'm not Hispanic. I'm not black. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. What I don't understand is YOUR presumption that anyone is denouncing this law |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. So if the law required everyone to prove citizenship |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. So basically, your argument boils down to it being okay to demand papers |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. Pah I just got carded because I ordered a glass of wine on Saturday. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Deleted message |
ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. You got carded because you were buying a drink voluntarily in a state |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. No local politician could withstand the backlash of good ol' Americans who were randomly stopped |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. You could be Canadian. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
79. Based on the past behavior of the police the previous poster's assessment |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. all i can think of is born in east la... cheech gets deported because he doesn't have his wallet |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I'm sure they are more careful than that. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Sure, because everybody is planning on running for President and being attacked |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. i don't know. imagine you look hispanic. now imagine you are being stopped every other day by the |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Do you honestly not understand the difference between |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
75. Because you CHOOSE to go buy liquor KNOWING that you will be asked for ID. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
30. Ah.. so you DO need a passport to visit the state. |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Doesn't your New York driver's license fall under the category: |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:20 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Requirements to obtain a NY Drivers License |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. As part of the application, you must provide your social security card. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. Deleted message |
olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
42. This is an unenforceable law. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
47. "Reasonable suspicion" = Dark skin. |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
48. The problem with the law |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
92. Sorry to inform you |
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Demstud (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
50. Don't even need to read the law to know it's bad |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
56. My ears hurt |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
57. The law admits it's stepping into federal jurisdiction. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
62. So are you trying to say you support this racist legislation? |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. But not the fascist Authoritarian part |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. If you do a search... |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. I can hear the Jack Boots on this thread |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. As I told someone else |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. Yes, I have a nuanced position about that |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. He does have a habit |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. No |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
82. That's what it sounds like. n/t |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Time to get the hearing checked nt |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. my hearing is fine |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. No, you maybe hearing |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. Confucius |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. What I'm trying to say |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Your arguments aren't worth dealing with your |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. You're right |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. It would have been easier to just say "yes." |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. I didn't say yes, did I |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No, you beat around the bush. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. No I don't. I never do. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
81. The devil's in the details. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
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