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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:03 PM Original message |
If Senators and House Democrats believe they can force a better compromise or result, fine |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. +1 |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Gee, thanks for your rousing support of the idea |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. no, the House might be able to improve on the compromise |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Theres hundreds of people responsible for governing, and they all expect just 1 of them to do it. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. There's only one captain at the helm - Obama. Don't try to shift blame. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. He can't pass legislation. That's up to the legislature. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. That's why he went to the republicans FIRST and the Dem Caucus SECOND, right? |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Well....Why talk to Democrats? |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. BUT - HE DOESN'T PASS LEGISLATION!!111! 3 BRANCHES!!111! LEAVE OBAMA ALONE!!11!! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Exactly. Because he knows he can influence Democrats |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Yes and he's influencing them to do the wrong thing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. The millions on unemployment disagree with you. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
42. "So I pass a signature piece of legislation..........." |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. The 3 branches of government do not, nor have they ever operated as a military... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
43. "So I pass a signature piece of legislation..........." |
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griffi94 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. killing it would be a better result than what we have now. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Are you dependent on unemployment aid that is about to run out? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. What I don't understand is, he made his stand pretty clear, since what--2007? |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. Kicked&Recommended.. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Right, that's what FDR and LBJ did - let congress 'do it's thing' and just take the credit.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. FDR had a big majority to work with and, after Kennedy's death, |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yeah, who can forget FDR's quote: |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. well, he certainly didnt have to deal with 60 vote cloture |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Kennedy's death didn't make the South more likely to support Civil Rights. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Are you suggesting Obama can win this by threatening the Supreme Court? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. Or, they could (hopefully) filibuster the POS bill. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. That's their only option left without presidential support. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
16. Of course they can't. Obama would veto it. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. he'll sign any extension of middle-class tax breaks that Democrats can manage |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The middle class tax cuts were never in doubt. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Congress had the responsibility to schedule those votes as the President was urging them to do |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Obama shouldn't have urged, he should have done something back then, too. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I think that's just second guessing |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
27. As long as Obama doesn't take the blame, right? nt |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
28. WOW! Ever the defender. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. defenders |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Thanks I'm going to need it... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. Given that a better compromise would be ... |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
32. Bullshit! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. no, no, not because of all of that |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. When did the Dems ever really have a 60 vote majority filibuster proof block in the senate? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. so you have a reason |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. I agree. |
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