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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:39 PM
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"I think the frustration that supporters of the president have ..."
This
by John Cole

1000 times this:

I think the frustration that supporters of the president have (at least it is for me) is that his critics give him credit for nothing. NOTHING.

He gets a health care reform bill passed that is sweeping in scope and more than anyone has done in decades. And the left-wing critics say “Not enough.”

He gets a stimulus bill passed that pretty much kept a massive recession from getting worse and all the left-wing critics said was “Not enough.”

He’s on the verge of getting DADT repealed through law as opposed to using a reversible executive order and all the left-wing critics say is “Not enough.”

He gives a speech that talks about peak oil, points out how government corruption played a role and begins to lay out the way forward towards an alternative energy future and all the left-wing critics say is “Not enough” while having orgasms to Rachael Maddow’s satisfying-but-completely unrealistic “Fake President” speech.

Never mind Lily Leadbetter, killing the F-22 (something BUSH couldn’t do), expanding SCHIP, credit card reform, tobacco regulation…but no, it’s not enough. It’s NEVER enough with some people.

There is legit criticism to be made when it comes to President Obama, especially in the civil rights arena. But to hear the WATBs on the left tell it, he hasn’t done a damn thing. And that is simply not true.


And when you point that out, you are hippie-punching or just an O-bot and not a critical thinker. And he managed to do all this without ANY help from the Republicans and minimal help from the Blue Dogs, all while dealing with a childish media (Is he smoking? Does he hate the womyn folks because he won’t shoot hoops with them? Is he angry enough?) and a left-flank that thinks teaming up with Grover Norquist and echoing Republican talking points is moving the fucking Overton Window.

You point out the fact that this is the most successful Democratic Presidency in my lifetime and all you hear is but, but but… He didn’t get single payer!

And now this thread will rapidly become populated with WATB telling me I’m just as in the tank for Obama as I was for Republicans and that I hate the left and that I’m showing my authoritarian Republican roots and, oh, forget it. You know the damned drill. If I were a tough manly man like Keith Olbermann, a fierce and independent thinker who alone has the insight, bravery and knowledge to criticize the President, I’d just pre-emptively shut this blog down because you just know some anonymous commenter is going to say something mean on the internet and break my heart.

All I know is that if Obama doesn’t stop the oil leak with his massive Kenyan penis and then give a rousing FDR/Trumanesque speech delivered using a grade 7.5 language level that gives Chris Matthews a blue-vein hard-on and then personally scrubs every drop of oil from the gulf without hurting BP’s profits and making sure every oil worker has a job, I’m out. I mean, come on. That isn’t asking too much, is it? And why don’t we have gay marriage and a cure for cancer? What a loser! If only he hadn’t turned off his progressive base, all this could happen. Ed Schultz told me so.

And he better wear a flag lapel pin while doing it.

*** Update ***

Here’s what we’re dealing with:

Obama gives a speech on energy, but can’t bring himself to say “climate change.”


Beyond parody.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/06/17/this-3/
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:43 PM
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1. It's Not About Shades of Gray
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:53 PM
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6. "Is Jon Stewart Right about a Betrayal by Obama? Not So Much"
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 06:00 PM by Pirate Smile
Is Jon Stewart Right about a Betrayal by Obama? Not So Much

Jon Stewart is a great comedian. Like most comedians, his humor works when it strikes a cord that rings true, even if he uses an absurd way to get there. But his main job is to make us laugh, not to report facts accuracy. I’ve been recording his show for years and think he’s great.

So I’m really reluctant to write this post about Stewart’s 8-minute rant on Obama last night -- I'm far to young to engage in a "Get Off My Lawn" rant. And it was clear that in the end, his rant was really about setting up a sight gag to suggest Obama was Frodo, and Sarah Palin was Gollum, and the ring was presidential authority. But I’ve seen several posts and tweets taking it seriously, gleefully gloating about it. If it is going take hold as truthful, then I guess I can’t resist taking the bait.

Stewart's big theme is that Obama has betrayed us out of a thirst for power. The straw man is Obama premised his entire campaign on reining in presidential power, but as president, has instead pursued executive power as aggressively as, if not more so than, his predecessor George Bush on the following issues:

- Gitmo. Obama signed an executive order to close Gitmo, but the relocation of the prisoners requires funding from Congress, and Congress has blocked his efforts. Is it fair to say this blocking by Congress, including by members of his own party, constitutes an Obama power-motivated betrayal? I don’t see it.

- Habeas Corpus. Stewart showed a clip of The Nation’s Chris Hayes stating that while detainees who are U.S. citizens in Gitmo (a U.S. military base) are entitled to habeas corpus to seek a court appeal of their detention, the DC Circuit Court decided that non-U.S. citizen detainees held at Bagram Airfield in Afghanistan are not entitled to habeas corpus, even if they were captured at foreign locations other than Afghanistan and brought to Bagram. This was not an Obama administration decision (although it is the position the administration argued for in court). The court made a distinction between what process is due a U.S. citizen detainee at a US facility outside the theater of war, versus a foreign detainee in the theater of war. Stewart then tried to illustrate (with props!) that Obama played a shell game with detainees by transferring them from Gitmo, where they have rights, to Bagram, where they don’t. Stewart makes this up – there’s been no such shell game involving Gitmo transfers to Bagram to end-run habeas corpus. Obama supported the Supreme Court decision, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, that established Gitmo detainees who are U.S. citizens have habeas corpus rights (unlike John McCain, who Stewart fawns over as a frequent guest).

- Renditions. Every modern president, including the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, has used this authority. The context of Obama’s opposition was the Bush practice of using it to transfer prisoners to countries where torture could be performed at notorious "black sites." One of Obama’s first acts as president was to ban torture and overturn the DOJ/OLC memos that under Bush that had authorized it. So Obama has eliminated the torture that drove his opposition to the Bush administration’s most egregious rendition practice. The fact that he is still using renditions as a tool to combat terrorism, according to Human Rights Watch, is really no big deal.

- State Secrets. Obama was opposed of excessive use of the state secret privilege to block lawsuits against the government on the theory that they conflicted with national security. The Bush administration invoked the privilege 39 times, after it had only been invoked 6 times during the height of the Cold War, which certainly suggests it was being abused. AG Holder announced in September 2009 a new policy to limit the use of the privilege. Again, Obama never said he would eliminate it (or permanently waive the right to invoke it), he said he would stop its excessive, abusive use.

- Miranda Rights. Stewart characterizes this as Obama "saying no to Miranda rights!" AG Holder said that the Department of Justice was considering recommendations to legislatively "modernize" Miranda rights, which is a court doctrine established in the 1960s largely in the context of police arrests of criminal suspects. Holder’s concern was that it was not designed for the exigencies of modern terrorism. This is the same AG Holder who has pushed for a criminal trial of the most notorious terrorists in civilian courts, despite significant GOP and local government opposition, instead of military commissions. He’s not calling for the end of Miranda rights. In any event, immediately after Holder's statement on Meet the Press, the administration began to walk it back and there's been no push to take such action since.

- Whistle Blowers. Stewart's evidence that Obama is "anti-whistle blower" is the horrible hit job by the New York Times, the sole point of which seemed to be "Obama is worse than Bush!" Stewart declared "Obama arrests whistle blowers who expose government waste!" Um, no. Since I wrote about this already, I’ll move on.

- Secret Wars. The sexy name comes from a recent Washington Post article about the Obama administration's use of special forces around the world largely in secret to unilaterally combat terrorism, train local forces, and engage in joint counter-terror operations with host countries. According to the article, the operations are often secret in deference to the host country that doesn't want to publicly acknowledge permitting U.S. forces in the country. As for legal controversy, the article suggests that the United Nations has expressed some concern, but not significantly in cases where the host country has more explicitly consented. It seems the harshest criticism in the article was from former Bush officials still smarting over criticism over their administration's practices. Sour grapes.

- Killing American-Born Terrorists Abroad. His example is the American-born member of Al Qaeda based in Yemen who helped plan the failed Christmas bomber's attempt to bring down a passenger plane in Detroit, who the CIA has apparently authorized to be killed by a drone. An argument could be made that if American born terrorists were subject to special protection relative to other terrorists abroad, this could be exploited by terrorists who would then actively recruit American citizens. But a big issue here (as in any capital case) is what if the CIA makes a mistake? So in the end, I come out against the Obama administration here. But the issue here is not nearly as black and white under international law as, for example, the well established prohibition of torture.

So overall, do we have a massive betrayal by Obama now that he wears the ring? Not so much.

http://roadkillrefugee.posterous.com/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:10 PM
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7. Thanks for that post. I hope it was sent to Jon Stewart.
Edited on Thu Jun-17-10 06:11 PM by tabatha
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:12 PM
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8. What will you do when Stewart has a show supporting Obama?
Will you do the same?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:46 PM
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2. Good post. Thanks.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:49 PM
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3. Amed, dude. Amen.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:50 PM
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4. Exactly... especially when I googled Obama "climate change"
and this was one of the first links:

http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/27/obama-climate-change-poses-a-threat-to-our-way-of-life/

"Obama gave a big speech at Solyndra, a California solar manufacturing plant:

Climate change poses a threat to our way of life — in fact, we’re already beginning to see its profound and costly impact. And the spill in the Gulf, which is just heartbreaking, only underscores the necessity of seeking alternative fuel sources."




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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 05:51 PM
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5. KnR
Obama is doing some serious work, the ankle biters and whiners are doing what they do best.

I appreciate the serious criticism that comes from folks who want Obama to move towards the let on many issues (I am one of them).

The jokers who do nothing but complain about everything are irrelevant. They probably don't even vote.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:13 PM
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9. K&R
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:17 PM
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10. k/r
At this point, anyone who claims that Obama has done "nothing" (REALLY? NOTHING?) has no credibility as far as I'm concerned. Teabagger, RW moderate, Progressive, doesn't matter.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:24 PM
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11. Thank you.
"Beyond parody", for sure.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:26 PM
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12. I lost it at "his massive Kenyan penis".
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:33 PM
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13. LOL
:D
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Itchinjim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:36 PM
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14. KNR
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:45 PM
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15. That's good.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 06:54 PM
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16. K & R
:thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 07:03 PM
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17. Oh my
All I know is that if Obama doesn’t stop the oil leak with his massive Kenyan penis and then give a rousing FDR/Trumanesque speech delivered using a grade 7.5 language level that gives Chris Matthews a blue-vein hard-on and then personally scrubs every drop of oil from the gulf without hurting BP’s profits and making sure every oil worker has a job, I’m out. I mean, come on. That isn’t asking too much, is it? And why don’t we have gay marriage and a cure for cancer? What a loser! If only he hadn’t turned off his progressive base, all this could happen. Ed Schultz told me so.


:rofl:


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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:00 PM
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18. strawman
I think the frustration that supporters of the president have (at least it is for me) is that his critics give him credit for nothing. NOTHING.

Fairly unsupportable. His left leaning critics are more than willing to give him "credit" when he does things with which they agree. However, on the large issues, there isn't much there.

He gets a health care reform bill passed that is sweeping in scope and more than anyone has done in decades. And the left-wing critics say “Not enough.”

First, what the left said wasn't "not enough" that's the straw man. What they said was "wrong stuff". Mandates, cadillac taxes, no public option, these were the complaints. He did alot of stuff he opposed in the campaign, he kept out the single payer entirely, and he negotiated first with Big Pharma. That's not about "enough". That's about "Wrong stuff".

He gets a stimulus bill passed that pretty much kept a massive recession from getting worse and all the left-wing critics said was “Not enough.”

You mean critics like Paul Krugman? He kinda knows what he's talking about. And it is proving out to be too small. And it was a tad back loaded too. And he gave away one of the more important parts, the aid to the state governments. So are you complaining that the critics were right?

He’s on the verge of getting DADT repealed through law as opposed to using a reversible executive order and all the left-wing critics say is “Not enough.”

What do you mean "as oppose to"? He has the authority, under the law, to suspend the expulsions while they do their review (going on 2 years now). I'd say that's a pretty good question. Again, is your complaint that the critics are right?

He gives a speech that talks about peak oil, points out how government corruption played a role and begins to lay out the way forward towards an alternative energy future and all the left-wing critics say is “Not enough” while having orgasms to Rachael Maddow’s satisfying-but-completely unrealistic “Fake President” speech.

He laid out nothing. And as Stewart aptly pointed out, he didn't do anything the last 8 presidents didn't do. Practically word for word.

Never mind Lily Leadbetter, killing the F-22 (something BUSH couldn’t do), expanding SCHIP, credit card reform, tobacco regulation…but no, it’s not enough. It’s NEVER enough with some people.

He was applauded widely for signing Leadbetter. Mind you he had virtually nothing to do with that except signing it. He didn't "kill" the F-22. He just isn't ordering any new ones. Yes, he expanded SCHIP, again something the previous congress passed (with GOP help). Bush wouldn't sign it. Again, Obama's singular accomplishment was signing it. Credit Card reform again, was missing the fundamental features that progressives wanted. They are suppose to be HAPPY about that?

There is legit criticism to be made when it comes to President Obama, especially in the civil rights arena. But to hear the WATBs on the left tell it, he hasn’t done a damn thing. And that is simply not true.

A simple quote or cite woulda been nice. Progressives acknowledge when he accomplishes progressive goals. You're primary problem seems to be that they are often correct in their criticism.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:06 PM
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19. K&R
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:14 PM
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20. Brilliant. Nothing left to be said. n/t
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:19 PM
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21. Same lame wagon circling, different day. Same points that are addressed daily
Goals, expectations, and minimum requirements for success are clearly outlined and seldom met.

Tired of hearing complaints??? Then quit wiping and dangling and push for real structural reform that this country desperately needs. Congress is too conservative then help push the deadweight out instead of propping up turds that are enemies of the poor and working people.
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volvoblue Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:43 PM
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22. I agree with the observation. It is not simple criticism based on policy
for many on the left, it has passed the criticism that is justified long ago and moved into this sort of insane hate. Where everything he says and does is wrong and not good enough.
They left the constructive criticism and have lost their bearings. Gone over the edge into some insane alternative universe of their own
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 08:47 PM
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23. Yeah, I'm so over frustration with that...I don't care
anymore. They're useless.

Thanks Juan Cole and Pirate Smile for bringing this to light.

And, yeah, I'm Rootin' for Obama..so sue me.
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