Is Obama a caver or a fighter?

[Cali_Democrat]

What do you think?

Does Obama cave in too much to the Republicans that want to destroy him or does Obama really fight for what he believes in?

[grumgrum]

1. Any who votes FIGHTER is in Denial (or Dellusional).

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Anyone who votes CAVER is a childish know-nothing

:hi:

[Paladin]

10. Where's Your Proof?

As I enter this, 80% of the responses to this poll---including mine---label Obama as a caver. Prove us wrong.......

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. I can characterize your position as I see fit

If your cohort above me can make ridiculous little statements about one class of voters, I'm happy to respond in kind. As for your 80%, I'll just heartily declare that I don't give a good goddamn about you or them, opinion-wise (I suspect you're all wonderful people otherwise).

Have a nice day.

[Paladin]

36. Back At You---Except For Your Having A Nice Day...... (n/t)

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. Aw, baby

don't go away mad.

:rofl:

[emilyg]

16. Bullhinky.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Back atcha

:-)

[emilyg]

21. At least you made me smile.

:hug: :hug:

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Well good on you!

[Tesha]

31. Are you sure that's not against DU rules, being an attack on 71% of the respondents...

...to this poll (80 DUers at current count)?

Tesha

[jefferson_dem]

24. Anyone who votes CAVER is a...

"doo doo head"!

[AndrewP]

40. Let's have a mature discussion okay.......mr poopy pants!!!

Sorry...I saw an opening and used it. It's a movie line from one of the Naked Gun movies.


I voted other. Politics is much harder than single options such as fighter or caver. You could make a case for either, depending on your view.

[Tesha]

30. Why? He (and hist staff) fights against lefties all the time! :-( (NT)

[DJ13]

2. This is his new wardrobe

[beforeyoureyes]

4. Neither...he is a corporate puppet of the first degree. Need a third option - BOUGHT

Caving would imply that he stood for the people and policies of principle in the first place. Can't cave if you never were really vested in representing the people's interests...

This is such a simple point. Why are we still stuck on caving?

He is bought.

[dorkulon]

5. Yup, "Dive Artist" is about right.

We should all stop presuming we actually know what he believes in.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. I added this option just for you

:hi:

[Joe Bacon]

11. He is bought and paid for

He's not the President I thought I voted for. He's just more of the same!

[LonePirate]

7. Wasn't he the star of an 80s cartoon that co-starred the Teen Angels?

[treestar]

8. He is the President, not a boy in the schoolyard

This gets dumber and dumber. There is no game going on here. It's not an entertainment. Governing can be tedious or about figuring out how to get something done in a system set against it to a great degree.

[Skittles]

14. hard to tell the difference with the results we have

[Raine]

17. You're right in that it is not "entertainment"

there is nothing entertaining about it. The way the public is being gamed it repulsive.

[democracy1st]

20. Whats dumb is this admin going along with this GOP charade of extending Bush tax cuts!

[jefferson_dem]

25. It's becoming patently obvious that the right wing fringe echo chamber does not corner the market...

on ignorant political absurdity.

[Tesha]

33. And insults will win us over, right? Like "retarded" and "professional leftists"? (NT)

[Tesha]

32. Yeah, who can imagine a tougher environment than 60 Democratic* Senators...

...and a strong majority of Democrats in the House including
many who still believed in progressive and liberal (and Demo-
cratic!) ideal! For a Corporatist like Obama, that must have been
one hell of a tough challenge!

Getting nothing done** must have been really, really tough!

Tesha



* or Democratic equivalents

** At least "nothing that displeased his corporate masters
*TOO* much"

[great white snark]

9. Unfair. The small minds you attract equate compromise=caving.

:kick:

[polichick]

18. The op attracted YOU. nt

[Tesha]

34. When has he "compromised" with the left? What has he given us?

All his compromises move from his basic centrist (DLC) positions
towards Republican positions.

Tesha

[Skittles]

13. he fights for corporations; caves on WE THE PEOPLE

[rug]

15. Hang on there, he's recycling the Christmas Tree ornaments.

[LittleBlue]

22. Amazing poll. 87% believe he is a caver or bought by corporations.

Shocking the contrast to 2 years ago.

[Kaleva]

26. That's what happens when people put a politician on a pedastal and worship him

When he doesn't turn out to be the messiah they deluded themselves into believing he was, they turn on him.

[rucky]

27. And the ones who voted "fighter"?

[Kaleva]

28. The poll doesn't give good options IMO.

Each is an extreme position. He's either a fighter or a caver or someone bought and paid for by the corporations. My choice would be that he's a pragmatic realist who picks his battles and works to achieve the best he can and compromises when he has to. That's what I thought of him when I voted for him in 2008 and my opinion hasn't changed since.

[Tesha]

35. I would have told you the same thing during the primaries!

In fact, I did, but when we were finally offered a "choice", it
was Corporate Tool #1 versus Corporate Tool #2. All the
non-tools had been eliminated, mostly by the efforts of
(one guess) the Corporate Media.

Tesha

[Milo_Bloom]

29. Obama is a typical politician.

He is out for HIMSELF and little else.

[mitchtv]

37. +1

couldn't agree more, just another pol

[VMI Dem]

38. Caver of the first order.

[jillan]

39. Other = A lousy chess player.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. Chess Player in a Bar Fight

Spelunkin' as we speak.

[dflprincess]

43. We needed FDR

we got Chamberlain.

[boppers]

45. Interesting thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x541161

[ibegurpard]

44. He's a fighter all right...

he's fighting for a compromise on tax cuts even as we speak.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

46. You Have To Ask?

:eyes:

[Cali_Democrat]

47. just wanted to take the current pulse of DU via a poll....

...see where people stand :hi:

[hayu_lol]

48. Couldn't vote because of an ad...

He is a seriously committed 'caver.' He, Reid, Pelosi, and Hoyer form a spineless quartet.

His appointments make the right wing happy. Arne Duncan for one...ya know, his basketball buddy.