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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:04 PM Original message |
President Obama is not the best president, not yet. Not in the last 50 years or even the last 20 |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama will never be close to the best president ever. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. How can you say for sure when he's barely through his first two years? |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. There is no absolute "best president" |
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Democrats_win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. Harper Magazine said Obama resembles Herbert Hoover. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. US News had Obama ranked 15th overall back in July |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. President Obama |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. Rebuttal |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Nice hard facts. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. So you're saying the legacy of a president is his first two years only. Wow. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. "set you off on a two year comparison only." |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. "Do you anticipate that Clinton will surpass Obama's achievements?" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. It was a simple question. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. I never said that. I said the opposite. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Well |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I supplied a link when I made that statement. It's right there in post #6. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. And I'm saying |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. No. What you are doing is making this strictly Obama vs Clinton, period |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Deleted sub-thread |
Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
61. Doesn't make no sense at all does it? n/t |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. QUANTITY does not equal QUALITY. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
84. There is a lot of good stuff there. nt |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. In my lifetime, I vote LBJ. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. yes... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. LBJ had a favorable Congress, yes. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. and LBJ did not betray the left... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. One betrayal vs. twenty. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. 40,000 soldiers died from 1963 to 1969. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. CORRECT... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. How many deaths were caused by... |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. Obama has had to overcome the threat of a filibuster. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
76. Yes, if the Dems had forced the Republicanites to do an actual filibuster... |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Yep |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
75. Salon article comparing this congress with the LBJ congress of 1965-66 |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. I think that's fair. I'm waiting for his term(s) to end before accessing. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. How does massive expansion of war especially into |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. HE ENDED WAR COMBAT... |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Sure. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. some refuse to believe it... |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. It's a fact that we are still killing people in Iraq. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. +1 Well said. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. name me one war.... |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Give me a break. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
83. Deleted message |
mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It doesn't. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
18. Sounds like your opinion....... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. +1 |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. When will your list be available |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. Op didn't have a list. He simply TOLD us, as though a fact, what he believed. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. OP had a list |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Yes, I did come off as a little strong. I often do add IMO or "I think" but I didn't this time... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
20. Just take a look at this. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. And the WSWS reporter was in the room? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I just asked you to take a look at it. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. I'd be in another dimension of reality if that ever comes true. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. Fair enough. I will expect you to humbly apologize if any of that comes true. n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. An article based on speculation from a publication that would rival the most HardRightWing mag for |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. If you can't win on facts, attack the messenger. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. If one has no facts, than attacking the President based on what he didn't say...is not journalism. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
82. For a President who promised open government ... |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. You accept this as fact? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. As for the article, it points to suspicious behavior and makes reasonable assumptions. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. When one starts quoting their own self as evidence of a point...... |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
69. Nobody appointed you or any of the other 600 odd members |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Your vitriol serves no useful purpose. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
85. Do you think FDR was a "great" Democrat, or does rounding up people by race, taking away their |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'll ask the question no one else seems to have asked ... why JFK? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. civil rights, environment, outer space, eloquent, courageous w/a capital C, honorable, inspirational |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I asked you this because ... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Though LBJ had some good civil rights things atttributed to him in your thread |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Definitly agree about the "what if" around JFK. |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. Abraham Lincoln is considered the best President we ever had. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
59. I enjoy your posts, but you have always seemed conflicted about Obama to me |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Thank you, and thank you for your honesty |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The tax issue was brutal, indeed |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
64. Bill Clinton was the best president of my lifetime. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
65. Thanks for your opinion |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
70. I agree about JFK |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
71. lol ... "if he follows through on becoming the anti-war president" |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. That he is anti war is the perception Obama gives me but thanks for the technicality |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. and how did he "give" you that idea? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You have pretty much said that Obama is a war monger |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Well at least we agree that your thinking that he's a pacifist is laughable. nt |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Your words, not mine. nt |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
73. JFK didn't do anything. Niether did Clinton. Obama should be ranked higher than Clinton |
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