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Celerity

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16. Your maths are off. Manchin says 1 to 1.5 trillion on the reconciliation bill, the bipartisan bill
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:53 AM
Sep 2021

contains only 550 billion in new spending. H ealready heped cut almsot 80% if the new spending from the bipartisan bill.

Biden's proposals totalled to 6.1 trillion usd (in new spending, inclusive of 400 billion usd in clean energy tax incentives) between the 2 bills.

The tax incentives were all removed from the bipartisan bill, as was a shedload of Biden's agenda.

IF Manchin gets his way, the total in new spending will be around 1.5 to 2 trillion usd, a massive drop from 6.1 trillion.

more detail here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15833203


as for this

and then after that GOTV the fucking vote for the Dems in 22 and then go scorched earth with a progressive agenda with +52 D Senators and the D House.


good luck fighting:

the historical tides of Dem POTUS first midterms (the last 2 were unmitigated disasters)

+

the 7 to 12 net seats we will lose in the House simply from post 2020 Census redirecting

+

the wave of voter suppression laws that will come, are coming already, and we cannot even pass the 2 vital voters protection bills because of Manchin and Sinema refusing to even modify the filibuster

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not being able to run on a large, large part of Biden's agenda (IF Manchin and Sinema end up shredding massive parts, which they already have helped to do on the bipartisan bill)

+

The Senate map is hardly a slam dunk to go + 2 net

we have 4 at risk seats (GA, NH, AZ, NV)

the Rethugs have 3 (open seat in PA, open seat in NC, and WI, regardless of if that POS Johnson retires or not)

plus a very iffy reach race in FL


Manchin and Sinema do not even run for re-election (if Manchin even does) for over 3 more years, yet they are in the process, so far, of shitting all over Biden's agenda, the Party's agenda favoured by the vast, vast majority of the entire Dem caucus, and our chances in 2022.

Neither is even likely to win in 2024, Manchin has been outflanked on both the left AND the right by Justice in a hugely Red state, and Sinema is, atm, cruising to be defeated in a Dem primary (her numbers are in the shitter compared to Kelly, her Senate Dem AZ partner).

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DAMN! elleng Sep 2021 #1
He does know that the Eastern US is going to be very much wetter and applegrove Sep 2021 #2
if I say what I am thinking it will surely get hidden. NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #3
me too. i can NEVER post what i truly think about Joe Manchin, it isn't pretty. Trueblue1968 Sep 2021 #19
But his constituents don't want green energy jobs or health or education or help with the kids. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #4
One man standing in the way of addressing Climate Change. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #5
Shove it up your ass, Manchin. ng Coventina Sep 2021 #6
+1 CentralMass Sep 2021 #21
So sick of this f--king asshole! LW1977 Sep 2021 #7
As crooked as both he and his daugter are dflprincess Sep 2021 #8
The red state bubble red state people have been in will either dry up applegrove Sep 2021 #10
His, DEMANDS? Bayard Sep 2021 #9
No but to vote no would destroy the entire thing. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #18
I got a demand for him vercetti2021 Sep 2021 #11
We are lucky as all hell to have Manchin from WV as 1 of 50 D's in the Senate aeromanKC Sep 2021 #12
Your maths are off. Manchin says 1 to 1.5 trillion on the reconciliation bill, the bipartisan bill Celerity Sep 2021 #16
I remind all of this rot he spewed in July, and then say I am surprised at how many are surprised Celerity Sep 2021 #13
I dislike people on power trips. madaboutharry Sep 2021 #14
article is a waste of time. no list of demands. nt msongs Sep 2021 #15
yes, it only said Celerity Sep 2021 #17
Substance free click bait article Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #20
Some of his demands are understandable but others are just plain stupid dsc Sep 2021 #22
But he's from a (mostly) Red State Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #24
Just watch Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #23
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