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grantcart

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8. Well
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:36 AM
Oct 2022

I would say that Russia culture has always cultivated greatness, literature, ballet, architecture. But there are inherent limits to its strengths caused by location and climate that has fostered a long held inferiority complex.

Arnold Toynbee constructed a useful historical interpretation theory of history called "The Challenge and Response Theory of History". He postulates that if humans live in an area that has no strong challenges for human propagation, like the tropical islands, then there isn't enough challenge to force people to move into feudal and national development. You can simply feed your family by catching fish and eating mangoes that grow abundantly. On the other hand if the challenges are too great, like the native people in the arctic areas then all of your organization is to kill the walrus, feast for a few days and then rest for the next big hunt.is a

In moderate temperatures like Europe, China and Japan there is a balance which is best suited to develop strong feudal leadership that would evolve into nations. In Europe and Japan you had to have organized agriculture to accumulate food for the winter. Once the winter set in that organization could be used to develop culture, art, religion and the military arts.

In China you have the flooding of the Yangtse River. It required organization to manage the water and then there would be a rest time while the rice grew. When you fly into Bangkok you can see thousands of miles of canals that were built over hundreds of years that became an irrigation system, a transportation system and a communication system. It was built by corvee labor, all Thai males had to go work for the local prince after rice planting and return during the harvest.

Russia has always competed with Europe, China and Japan. Its loss to Japan in the war of 1905 was the begining of the end of Czarist Russia. Its military loss to Japan was echoed by the thrashing it got from Germany in WWII, only the crushing winter saved them. China's unfettered market is driving its population to a higher standard of living than Russians. Singapore, which has no natural resources has per capita GDP of $ 56,000 in 4th place. Russia is ranked 57th with a per capita GDP of $ 10,000. Without its vast oil and gas revenues it would be in the 80s behind the Dominican Republic. And remember this per capita which averages the rich and the poor and with the tremendous disparities with the oligarchs it means that there are tens of millions of Russians who are on a subsistance footing.

If you accept Toynbee's analysis then the answer could be that Russia is always a step behind because their climate creates additional stress in comparison to other more moderate areas. In any case and for whatever reason Russia has a very pronounced inferiority complex and as Ukraine moves to integrate into the evolving modern European Community they are embarassed at the comparison.

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Old Russian Parable [View all] grantcart Oct 2022 OP
Or as Colbert often says PlanetBev Oct 2022 #1
That's why USA hit its pinnacle. Shitters, envious of neighbors tear down instead of build together. TheBlackAdder Oct 2022 #32
+1 2naSalit Oct 2022 #35
K&R betsuni Oct 2022 #2
Russia has never been anything but a terrorist state! SheltieLover Oct 2022 #3
I don't know about never mahina Oct 2022 #7
Well at least in modern world history anyway. SheltieLover Oct 2022 #9
Oh you bet. mahina Oct 2022 #13
Amazes me the companies doing business there. SheltieLover Oct 2022 #15
Check out American companies doing business with Hitler...plus OnDoutside Oct 2022 #25
Oh I know! SheltieLover Oct 2022 #27
I'll have to look... Been Hearing Prof T Snyder on public radio. Caught some of his tweets etc ty electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #11
You'll recognize him from Rachel Maddow show that's the author of the fabulous book,On Tyrrany mahina Oct 2022 #12
Hmmmm Maybe I did hear him on Rachel's show first I listen to the show electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #19
Oh, yes! ShazzieB Oct 2022 #24
Ive listened to or read some of his cilla4progress Oct 2022 #22
K&R. n/t ms liberty Oct 2022 #4
But you don't shed light on why, grantcart. cilla4progress Oct 2022 #5
Well grantcart Oct 2022 #8
Fascinating - cilla4progress Oct 2022 #20
Interesting analysis burrowowl Oct 2022 #29
"Its loss to Japan in the war of 1905 was the begining of the end ..." speak easy Oct 2022 #31
Great post! Buckeyeblue Oct 2022 #41
Tks grantcart Oct 2022 #44
Bookmarking. This is excellent. AllyCat Oct 2022 #6
Tks grantcart Oct 2022 #38
Moral wasteland. moondust Oct 2022 #10
It's Not every Russian. There have protests, and arrests in Russia against this war electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #14
True. moondust Oct 2022 #17
+1 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2022 #18
Um, I'm an atheist and I don't believe that cilla4progress Oct 2022 #21
I agree. The golden rule doesn't require a god. It's about cohabitation in a meaningful way. Buckeyeblue Oct 2022 #42
Stalin's attempt to stamp out religion did not work. Putin learned from Stalin's mistakes. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #28
He couldn't even stamp it out in his own family. grantcart Oct 2022 #37
Bookmarked MustLoveBeagles Oct 2022 #16
KnR, grantcart Hekate Oct 2022 #23
+1000 Oh Yes! You just explained the blue-wave Oct 2022 #26
"He knows that as Ukraine flourished he would be found wanting." SunSeeker Oct 2022 #30
Exactly RepubliCON and MAGAt reasoning: "he" is against the same people I'm against Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #33
K&R brer cat Oct 2022 #34
Try googling "wish my neighbor's cow would die" and you'll get many hits on a similar version. eppur_se_muova Oct 2022 #36
Wow. crickets Oct 2022 #39
That 3auld6phart Oct 2022 #40
Saving their asses during WWII was in our self interest, it made it easier to invade France grantcart Oct 2022 #43
Fascinating thread thank you. yardwork Oct 2022 #45
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Oct 2022 #46
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