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grantcart

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40. The reality is that the US is not a homogeneous population
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 02:39 PM
Nov 2022

united into a single Republic, it is an entire continent equivalent land mass that incorporates 50 written constitutions and 50 Courts into a federated constitution with an additional court.

The equivalent comparison would be with the European Union or ASEAN, or all S America or either half of Africa.

In order to achieve that, which no other largely populated geographically dispersed state has achieved for a single century let alone starting on our third.

The answer requires a union of highly autonomous jurisdictions (states) that give people local control while being held accountable to a federal constitution which establishes basic principles.

Also given that we have elections at a much higher frequency than any other democracy it means that differing populations have different preferences how to do that. Some want all mail in ballots some want a mix.

I fall to see why any of that should be the least bit objectionable to any one if it creates more avenues for more people to vote.

The "get your shit together" isn't my words but using the OPs offensive phrase on him because he is advocating imposing a single system of non mail in person voting on a country of 330 million.

I could suggest that if Canada added mail more rural and native voters could participate but I don't because a) I have no idea if that is true b) it is none of my business.

The issue of the electoral college has nothing to do with the patronizing and rather uniformed dribble of the OP.. The electoral college was the compromise necessary to obtain small states to agree to a more centralized federal government after the failure of the Articles of Federation.

There are many more objections to his suggestion of no mail in voting not the least of which is the disenfranchisement of millions of US military that are not resident in their voting jurisdiction, 3 million citizens living overseas (but unlike other countries still obligated to pay taxes) millions that are traveling. I would also add the informed but I assume that Canada has a mechanism for that.

All of this complaint from the OP for what reason? It takes a week to get complete results. What is the fucking rush? It's more important to get more people involved in a transparent process than to have it done by some artificial deadline.

And by the way the OPs final sentence is patently false

It's coming up on a week . . . don't have results for House OR Senate?

We have 99% of the results in. Anybody in the world who loves Democracy should be rejoicing on the results of this election, it's rejection of election deniers, it's reversal of traditional off year trends, the non violence, increased youth and minority participation and it's rejection of America firsterism. Complaining about how long it takes to get such results is pretty small grapes.

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I want the fewest barriers to voting, and to have as many legal votes counted as possible. RockRaven Nov 2022 #1
Exactly. California should be the example for every state to follow. All registered voters are JohnSJ Nov 2022 #2
Ok, therein lies thr difference TrogL Nov 2022 #4
I really wish we had snap elections, that would mitigate a demented psychopath traitor of President msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #32
As long as all the valid ballots are counted properly, it doesn't matter if it takes Justice matters. Nov 2022 #3
Again, American exceptionalism. Somehow Brazil, UK, and Canada get new govts running in a few days Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #14
In Canada, the parliament is "suspended" some 40 days before the vote and... Justice matters. Nov 2022 #36
Lame ducks can work the other way too, against Democrats. But re Canada, not quite like you say Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #39
your voting laws are not at least in part written by those who'd like see slavery return nt msongs Nov 2022 #5
We have ten times the number of people ZZenith Nov 2022 #6
50 states, ###### voting jurisdictions elleng Nov 2022 #7
We're not Canada. We have about 10 times your population. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2022 #10
It seems you have little interest in learning how to do better. "End of discussion"? Really? Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #12
Lol, thank you. BlackSkimmer Nov 2022 #38
You are not Brazil either. It has same population as US roughly and is done in one day Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #13
That means there are 10 times more people able to count and observe. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #17
We should be MORE like Canada AntivaxHunters Nov 2022 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2022 #21
"Step down". BlackSkimmer Nov 2022 #24
I love voting by mail. love_katz Nov 2022 #9
US has world's most complicated health system, most complicated elections, and tax system Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #11
Wealthy U.S. Americans get overly expensive, inappropriate, and potentially deadly health care too. hunter Nov 2022 #25
In defense of Americans, their ballots are much longer and may have referendums, etc. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #15
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #16
Are people complaining about something that really isn't an issue? Kaleva Nov 2022 #18
How many races do you vote for at a time? brooklynite Nov 2022 #20
The USA does not have just one type of voting. LiberalFighter Nov 2022 #22
Anything other than hand marked paper ballots is bullshit with great potential for abuse. hunter Nov 2022 #29
I agree with the petitions and issues. LiberalFighter Nov 2022 #30
You post it every 2 years but Canada only has important federal elections every 4 years. grantcart Nov 2022 #23
Well, then, if you have so much electioneering, perhaps you can "get your shit together" as you advi Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #26
It's inthewind21 Nov 2022 #27
I know it's the Constitution for the Electoral College & lame ducks. It COULD be fixed but isn't Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #28
It is not that easy to fix. LiberalFighter Nov 2022 #31
Agree on all four sentences. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #35
We tried getting our shit together. The problem is with Republicans blocking those efforts. LiberalFighter Nov 2022 #33
Yes, those are problems. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #34
The reality is that the US is not a homogeneous population grantcart Nov 2022 #40
Thank you for your reasoned & well written post. I'll say neither are Canada or Brazil "homogenous" Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #42
Why the fuck does it matter how long they take to count votes as long as... jcgoldie Nov 2022 #37
It doesn't but some people can't simply rejoice that we grantcart Nov 2022 #41
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