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Sympthsical

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17. Congress should be in no way involved
Sat Dec 23, 2023, 11:04 AM
Dec 2023

But everything's tribal nowadays. Republicans are suddenly very interested in academic integrity, which is plainly funny. Since when?

But we're also doing our own in this situation where even the most ardent defenders don't have a very good explanation for their defenses. It's literally, "A university president should not have to abide by the same academic standards as their students, because . . . reasons." Like that's the defense. Just, you know, reasons. I've not seen a single good one, and John McWhorter nailed the whole thing down in his NYT op-ed, IMO.

But Republicans are against something, so we have to be for it.

Can we not be, though? Can we just judge whether or not someone is wrong without going through the entire politico-journalist complex and declaring sides and making ourselves look compromised because we have to twist and bend and manipulate logic and reason to defend something that clearly one shouldn't be defending?

It shouldn't be this hard.

And if the argument truly is, "Nothing that bad happened here," ok. Then the next move should be to remove those standards for the students, yes? So, ok, get on that one. And maybe make restitution of some kind to students who suffered consequences under the standards that people are arguing clearly shouldn't be in place.

Unless we want to argue there should be double standards - which some people clearly, clearly are. But that circles around to the twisting and bending portion of the program I just mentioned.

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... Faux pas Dec 2023 #1
I wanna know where congress found the time to investigate this? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #2
If Republicans want a scandal, they will find it, or else conjure it out of thin air DFW Dec 2023 #3
But didn't most of their stuff involve a "someone or something in the Obama admin"? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #4
The so-called "Obama scandals," as I recall, involved him DFW Dec 2023 #5
They are private - but they receive hundreds of millions of dollars per year in federal funding FBaggins Dec 2023 #9
A Black woman? malaise Dec 2023 #6
Really NowISeetheLight Dec 2023 #7
Honestly Dorian Gray Dec 2023 #8
Harvard should offer her $100 million to step down MichMan Dec 2023 #10
Four hundred years after slavery? What? n/t Captain Stern Dec 2023 #11
The last living slave died in 1971 John Shaft Dec 2023 #12
That's what it sounds like Captain Stern Dec 2023 #14
If I were a student at Harvard, and was caught plagerizing even one paper, I would be removed from the school. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #13
Would you be removed for Bettie Dec 2023 #15
According to the Harvard Guide on Using Souces, it is taken extremely seriously. MichMan Dec 2023 #23
It wasn't just omitting quotation marks, she also failed to cite the references whose words she used MichMan Dec 2023 #27
Change paragraph to paragraphs, and you'll be closer. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #32
Harvard determined that she did not plagiarize. yardwork Dec 2023 #18
Harvard contradicted their own policy which I posted above MichMan Dec 2023 #24
She was accused by the actual persons she plagerized from. I'd say that's pretty damning. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #31
There was ForgedCrank Dec 2023 #16
Congress should be in no way involved Sympthsical Dec 2023 #17
Harvard investigated and determined that it wasn't plagiarism, though. yardwork Dec 2023 #19
I recommend reading McWhorter's op-ed in the NYT Sympthsical Dec 2023 #21
An example of the insane level of antisemitism on campuses can be found here: yardwork Dec 2023 #22
There's this fantastic interview Sympthsical Dec 2023 #25
This is so infuriating. yardwork Dec 2023 #26
We all know this isn't about plagiarism, right? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #20
This is so frickin silly maxrandb Dec 2023 #28
Let's stop with the plagiarism bullshit Doc Sportello Dec 2023 #29
She is toast SarahD Dec 2023 #30
I haven't been a PhD candidate to compare - Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #33
If plagiarism is that common with faculty, they have no right to hold their students to a different standard then MichMan Dec 2023 #34
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