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yardwork

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19. Harvard investigated and determined that it wasn't plagiarism, though.
Sat Dec 23, 2023, 11:28 AM
Dec 2023

This is an area I actually know a little about, so (unlike most topics such as politics, rocket science, war, etc., where my near-complete ignorance allows me to hold strong opinions) I see this issue in complicated shades of grey.

Universities have lots of challenges right now, and the situation is making it near-impossible for university presidents to lead. They're being forced out all over the country.

The percent of support from federal and state sources is way down, necessitating larger and larger "campaigns" to raise money from wealthy private donors. This gives a handful of ultra-wealthy individuals - almost 100% of whom are white men - a lot of influence over how universities will be run. They're inserting themselves into hiring decisions, curricula, everything.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are doing what they do - basically trying to destroy public education. They didn't have much leverage over private institutions until this golden opportunity fell into their laps. A way to take down at least three female presidents of Ivy League institutions! And one's Black, too! And she looks masculine! Burn the witch!

Which leads to yet another issue facing college campuses, which you've witnessed and talked about here on DU - many of them have become seriously loopy incubators for extreme positions, the way things "should" be, completely dissociated from reality. (This is not true among the medical and sciences faculty of the universities. It's happening mostly in the social sciences.) It makes them easy targets for ridicule and more, especially as they've allowed antisemitism to creep in.

And the cost of tuition... and the consequent debt among students... and so forth...

So it's a hot mess. It's almost unworkable. The Republicans do nothing to help. I've watched this unfold for decades.

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... Faux pas Dec 2023 #1
I wanna know where congress found the time to investigate this? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #2
If Republicans want a scandal, they will find it, or else conjure it out of thin air DFW Dec 2023 #3
But didn't most of their stuff involve a "someone or something in the Obama admin"? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #4
The so-called "Obama scandals," as I recall, involved him DFW Dec 2023 #5
They are private - but they receive hundreds of millions of dollars per year in federal funding FBaggins Dec 2023 #9
A Black woman? malaise Dec 2023 #6
Really NowISeetheLight Dec 2023 #7
Honestly Dorian Gray Dec 2023 #8
Harvard should offer her $100 million to step down MichMan Dec 2023 #10
Four hundred years after slavery? What? n/t Captain Stern Dec 2023 #11
The last living slave died in 1971 John Shaft Dec 2023 #12
That's what it sounds like Captain Stern Dec 2023 #14
If I were a student at Harvard, and was caught plagerizing even one paper, I would be removed from the school. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #13
Would you be removed for Bettie Dec 2023 #15
According to the Harvard Guide on Using Souces, it is taken extremely seriously. MichMan Dec 2023 #23
It wasn't just omitting quotation marks, she also failed to cite the references whose words she used MichMan Dec 2023 #27
Change paragraph to paragraphs, and you'll be closer. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #32
Harvard determined that she did not plagiarize. yardwork Dec 2023 #18
Harvard contradicted their own policy which I posted above MichMan Dec 2023 #24
She was accused by the actual persons she plagerized from. I'd say that's pretty damning. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #31
There was ForgedCrank Dec 2023 #16
Congress should be in no way involved Sympthsical Dec 2023 #17
Harvard investigated and determined that it wasn't plagiarism, though. yardwork Dec 2023 #19
I recommend reading McWhorter's op-ed in the NYT Sympthsical Dec 2023 #21
An example of the insane level of antisemitism on campuses can be found here: yardwork Dec 2023 #22
There's this fantastic interview Sympthsical Dec 2023 #25
This is so infuriating. yardwork Dec 2023 #26
We all know this isn't about plagiarism, right? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #20
This is so frickin silly maxrandb Dec 2023 #28
Let's stop with the plagiarism bullshit Doc Sportello Dec 2023 #29
She is toast SarahD Dec 2023 #30
I haven't been a PhD candidate to compare - Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #33
If plagiarism is that common with faculty, they have no right to hold their students to a different standard then MichMan Dec 2023 #34
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