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Sympthsical

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21. I recommend reading McWhorter's op-ed in the NYT
Sat Dec 23, 2023, 11:45 AM
Dec 2023

It lays out the entire problem with the situation very neatly, IMO.

And if we're being a little honest, what other institution would we accept, "We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing?" I mean, they're clearly trying to shrug and paper it over and declare no big deal when their own policies and past actions against students make it very clear they did think it was a big deal right on up until it involved the university president. Additionally, some of the problems uncovered have come after Harvard made that statement.

We can't have two systems of rules and accountability. Either what has been done is bad enough that violation can result in severe sanction - as has happened to others at Harvard - or the standards have always been erroneous, aren't that important, and should have their consequences scrapped or diminished.

It can't be both, and it can't be special for those with power or status. Otherwise, what are we really arguing for here?

Universities are a total mess. I've been shouting about the antisemitism problem in the social sciences for years. One can do a search on my DU history and find posts where BehindtheAegis and I were discussing it long before October 7th. So, I'm definitely going to take this opportunity and public consciousness of the problem to argue for reform in the social sciences and campus policies.

What I really hate about the situation, however, is how a push to finally - finally - address campus antisemitism is getting obscured with, "Republicans hate education, too!" as if a disdain for bigotry is the exact same motive as right-wingers.

Reflexive defense is how institutions can become corrupt, decadent, and insular, because a mindset settles in that the institution must always be protected against outsiders. I see that happening here, where antisemitism and poor policy are getting a defense because Republicans smell blood in the water. But opponents will often exploit weaknesses. The solution isn't to hide the weakness. The solution is to fix it.

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... Faux pas Dec 2023 #1
I wanna know where congress found the time to investigate this? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #2
If Republicans want a scandal, they will find it, or else conjure it out of thin air DFW Dec 2023 #3
But didn't most of their stuff involve a "someone or something in the Obama admin"? LeftInTX Dec 2023 #4
The so-called "Obama scandals," as I recall, involved him DFW Dec 2023 #5
They are private - but they receive hundreds of millions of dollars per year in federal funding FBaggins Dec 2023 #9
A Black woman? malaise Dec 2023 #6
Really NowISeetheLight Dec 2023 #7
Honestly Dorian Gray Dec 2023 #8
Harvard should offer her $100 million to step down MichMan Dec 2023 #10
Four hundred years after slavery? What? n/t Captain Stern Dec 2023 #11
The last living slave died in 1971 John Shaft Dec 2023 #12
That's what it sounds like Captain Stern Dec 2023 #14
If I were a student at Harvard, and was caught plagerizing even one paper, I would be removed from the school. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #13
Would you be removed for Bettie Dec 2023 #15
According to the Harvard Guide on Using Souces, it is taken extremely seriously. MichMan Dec 2023 #23
It wasn't just omitting quotation marks, she also failed to cite the references whose words she used MichMan Dec 2023 #27
Change paragraph to paragraphs, and you'll be closer. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #32
Harvard determined that she did not plagiarize. yardwork Dec 2023 #18
Harvard contradicted their own policy which I posted above MichMan Dec 2023 #24
She was accused by the actual persons she plagerized from. I'd say that's pretty damning. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #31
There was ForgedCrank Dec 2023 #16
Congress should be in no way involved Sympthsical Dec 2023 #17
Harvard investigated and determined that it wasn't plagiarism, though. yardwork Dec 2023 #19
I recommend reading McWhorter's op-ed in the NYT Sympthsical Dec 2023 #21
An example of the insane level of antisemitism on campuses can be found here: yardwork Dec 2023 #22
There's this fantastic interview Sympthsical Dec 2023 #25
This is so infuriating. yardwork Dec 2023 #26
We all know this isn't about plagiarism, right? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #20
This is so frickin silly maxrandb Dec 2023 #28
Let's stop with the plagiarism bullshit Doc Sportello Dec 2023 #29
She is toast SarahD Dec 2023 #30
I haven't been a PhD candidate to compare - Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #33
If plagiarism is that common with faculty, they have no right to hold their students to a different standard then MichMan Dec 2023 #34
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