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shrike3

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14. Yes, the debate didn't help matters. But it's not the disaster many are painting it to be.

Reply to ITAL (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2024, 11:01 AM

Jul 11

There were calls for Joe to drop out for months. This isn't a new thing. But the debate threw gasoline on that fire.

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Biden and Trump tied despite debate (ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll) [View all] ClearSky24 Jul 11 OP

I'm hoping these ties in the polls... Omnipresent Jul 11 #1

Good god, the worrying never stops, does it? W_HAMILTON Jul 11 #4

You are not worried about a potential Trump win? LudwigPastorius Jul 11 #20

THAT is what we should actually be worrying about. W_HAMILTON Jul 11 #24

How do you explain that in this same poll, a majority of Democrats want Big Blue Marble Jul 11 #27

It is not inconsistent for 1/2 to want Biden out AND in head to head, they vote Biden karynnj Jul 11 #30

It is not inconsistent at all. Big Blue Marble Jul 11 #31

Exactly, the dilemma is, it is Biden's decision and change at this point could be chaotic karynnj Jul 11 #40

Yes change would be chaotic and unpredictable. Big Blue Marble Jul 11 #42

You are right. Big Blue Marble Jul 11 #36

I explain it by realizing that Democrats are a diverse bunch that each want their own particular candidates. W_HAMILTON Jul 11 #33

He was chosen because no other serious candidate challenged him. Big Blue Marble Jul 11 #35

Because no one could have beaten him and they didn't want to end their political futures by trying. W_HAMILTON Jul 11 #38

Thats been the pattern in the past.. Omnipresent Jul 11 #21

"These polls" lees1975 Jul 11 #17

Um..No Omnipresent Jul 11 #39

Biden (or any Democrat) needs to win the popular vote by AT LEAST 2-3 points democrattotheend Jul 11 #34

Biden and Harris need to be seen as a team by the public. Freethinker65 Jul 11 #2

The population that it has been an ongoing battle to stop looking at the government TheKentuckian Jul 11 #44

Trump is cooked: IF DEMOCRATS STOP COOKING BIDEN. Self Esteem Jul 11 #3

Oh, that'd be too much to ask. shrike3 Jul 11 #7

Exactly. This is just what DNC Chair Jaime Harrison just said. Of course polls will be close if some in one party are Deek1935 Jul 11 #12

Correct MustLoveBeagles Jul 11 #18

! lees1975 Jul 11 #16

Despite the debate, an onslaught from the media madibella Jul 11 #5

You should be. shrike3 Jul 11 #10

When anyone in the MSM or recognized polls says it's a tie, Biden's leading in real life. Magoo48 Jul 11 #6

and the poll azureblue Jul 11 #8

But -- but -- Biden is finished. Right? shrike3 Jul 11 #9

Have hard time feeling other than the election is largely baked at this point ok_cpu Jul 11 #11

The topline figure isn't bad ITAL Jul 11 #13

Yes, the debate didn't help matters. But it's not the disaster many are painting it to be. shrike3 Jul 11 #14

Keep in mind that in almost all of the special elections Bettie Jul 11 #15

Add at least 5 points to Biden's number. ananda Jul 11 #19

I don't know how accurate these numbers are but I think the VP Harris numbers are important JI7 Jul 11 #22

Yes, fortunately, Kamala Harris is already on the ticket Walleye Jul 11 #26

Repuke voters probably pushing Kamala as a replacement flamingdem Jul 11 #23

I feel like we're probably going to pull this out.... but I've been horribly wrong before. groundloop Jul 11 #25

We could pull it out if our own party starts behaving. LisaL Jul 11 #28

47% -- Trump about locked in at that, and he lost with that last time. viva la Jul 11 #29

What do they mean by "despite debate"?... Think. Again. Jul 11 #32

Are we supposed to be satisfied with a tie? totodeinhere Jul 11 #37

Well TRHST82 Jul 11 #41

Yeah but a tie means we have a 50% chance of losing. totodeinhere Jul 12 #46

Nobody is going to lead by 30 becsuse of the makeup of our electorate JI7 Jul 11 #43

I would think that 5 or 6 points could be scratched out though. TheKentuckian Jul 11 #45

How stupidly sad mdbl Jul 12 #47