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betsuni

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30. "massive amounts of money are donated to campaigns and PACs" -- assuming all
Thu Jul 18, 2024, 04:05 AM
Jul 2024

donations are about bribing Democrats to adopt right-wing policies? Where is the evidence for that?

Donations give one access, not automatic influence. How would that even work? How would anyone do what all donors want? Otherwise there would be plenty of evidence that Obama, Biden, other Democrats change their positions.

Al Franken:

"Campaign contributions don't buy votes, what they buy is access. That's why lobbyists write campaign checks. They're not bribes. They're grease. ... They may have donated to you not in order to buy your support going forward, but because you've been supporting their good cause all along. And more often, you're not meeting with them because of a check they wrote, but rather because you're on the same team. You're strategizing together how to move the ball forward, and trading useful information about how to achieve a shared goal."

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1. Barack Obama; 2. Nancy Pelosi; [View all] speak easy Jul 2024 OP
Trashed orangecrush Jul 2024 #1
Of course you do. speak easy Jul 2024 #4
Have you heard of any preference Obama may have? Frasier Balzov Jul 2024 #2
FWIW, his relative recent silence could be interpreted as him weighing in without weighing in. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #5
Agreed. sheshe2 Jul 2024 #10
If Schumer & Pelosi had only one choice: win the Senate/House or the Presidency, what do you think they'd choose? Self Esteem Jul 2024 #3
Exactly, they will choose Bettie Jul 2024 #8
Is there an argument to be made DaBronx Jul 2024 #9
I think that argument is plausible. Another way of looking at it is Seeking Serenity Jul 2024 #60
Their long, long records of Democratic Party public service speak for them... Hekate Jul 2024 #17
Who's being shy? Self Esteem Jul 2024 #25
Yup. You just carry on with the ol' bothsiderism. Hekate Jul 2024 #26
Weird reply. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #27
The thing is claudette Jul 2024 #34
The thing is Self Esteem Jul 2024 #43
I don't care either claudette Jul 2024 #44
Cool. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #45
But think of it claudette Jul 2024 #46
Not voting in November if Biden isn't the nominee is reckless. orange jar Jul 2024 #55
Shades of 2016. yardwork Jul 2024 #58
Very much so. orange jar Jul 2024 #61
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #59
I think that's a disgraceful way to speak of Democratic leaders. yardwork Jul 2024 #57
Thank you. betsuni Jul 2024 #31
Where where they when there were doubts last year? Klarkashton Jul 2024 #6
The persons mentioned in the OP have been working hard all along. If you had been paying attention... Hekate Jul 2024 #14
I just saw an ad on Youtube last night of Barack Obama raising money standingtall Jul 2024 #7
Saw the same ad peggysue2 Jul 2024 #50
I don't think any of these individuals AkFemDem Jul 2024 #11
Democrats beholden to wealthy donors, billionaires and corporations are old Both Sides All Government Corrupt insults betsuni Jul 2024 #12
No evidence but the donations. Mister Ed Jul 2024 #15
How have Democrats changed their positions depending on donations? betsuni Jul 2024 #16
I am not privy to their thoughts, nor their private discussions with donors. Mister Ed Jul 2024 #21
What are examples (there must be many!) of Democrats changing their policy positions or votes depending on donations? betsuni Jul 2024 #22
Well, I already gave you one, Mister Ed Jul 2024 #24
"massive amounts of money are donated to campaigns and PACs" -- assuming all betsuni Jul 2024 #30
That's a colossal strawman. Mister Ed Jul 2024 #32
Well then, what's it about? Maybe somebody else can explain. betsuni Jul 2024 #33
I wish I had the links...But Clinton gave the big donors bedroom rights. Dan Jul 2024 #52
You are putting the case very, very politely, & I thank you for it Hekate Jul 2024 #13
A feeding frenzy! betsuni Jul 2024 #18
It's hard to keep up, but we shall try Hekate Jul 2024 #19
Then I guess it's time for us to part ways ... n/t wackadoo wabbit Jul 2024 #20
Good for you. speak easy Jul 2024 #28
If the Democrats didn't have wealthy donors ... Straw Man Jul 2024 #23
The point is, we are going to get Hubert Humphreyed because of this late second guessing bullshit. nt BootinUp Jul 2024 #29
The point is - speak easy Jul 2024 #35
People that have not been involved in the campaign are not the best judge. It is this lack of trust in Biden BootinUp Jul 2024 #36
ur " People that have not been involved in the campaign" speak easy Jul 2024 #37
Do your worst because I am definitely pissed off and dgaf. BootinUp Jul 2024 #38
and vote for our nominee in November, speak easy Jul 2024 #39
Now who's being naive? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #40
All career politicians are "beholden" all corrupt? What evidence? betsuni Jul 2024 #41
You don't get to the leadership positions without being beholden to someone. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #42
Not the point. betsuni Jul 2024 #48
Isn't Biden a career politician? SharonClark Jul 2024 #49
Yes, exactly democrattotheend Jul 2024 #51
He is. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2024 #62
I agree. Wingus Dingus Jul 2024 #47
Left On speak easy!!!!!!! Faux pas Jul 2024 #53
Well said Zeitghost Jul 2024 #54
I'm with you. yardwork Jul 2024 #56
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