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BlueTsunami2018

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42. You don't get to the leadership positions without being beholden to someone.

Thu Jul 18, 2024, 08:17 AM

Jul 18

Bernie is an Independent, he has the luxury of going after corporate interests and being a populist. He also gets absolutely nothing passed. He’s one of the few who aren’t beholden but no one of consequence is afraid of him either. Fetterman and AOC just got there, I’d hope they remain true. Franken is gone. Gore has been gone for 25 years. Wellstone is dead.

I think it’s a bit naive to act as if the others don’t have someone holding their leashes. Just look at some of the important votes. Iraq war, bankruptcy, bailouts etc.

That doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to do some good but they aren’t paragons of virtue.

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1. Barack Obama; 2. Nancy Pelosi; [View all] speak easy Jul 17 OP

Trashed orangecrush Jul 17 #1

Of course you do. speak easy Jul 17 #4

Have you heard of any preference Obama may have? Frasier Balzov Jul 17 #2

FWIW, his relative recent silence could be interpreted as him weighing in without weighing in. BannonsLiver Jul 18 #5

Agreed. sheshe2 Jul 18 #10

If Schumer & Pelosi had only one choice: win the Senate/House or the Presidency, what do you think they'd choose? Self Esteem Jul 17 #3

Exactly, they will choose Bettie Jul 18 #8

Is there an argument to be made DaBronx Jul 18 #9

I think that argument is plausible. Another way of looking at it is Seeking Serenity Jul 18 #60

Their long, long records of Democratic Party public service speak for them... Hekate Jul 18 #17

Who's being shy? Self Esteem Jul 18 #25

Yup. You just carry on with the ol' bothsiderism. Hekate Jul 18 #26

Weird reply. Self Esteem Jul 18 #27

The thing is claudette Jul 18 #34

The thing is Self Esteem Jul 18 #43

I don't care either claudette Jul 18 #44

Cool. Self Esteem Jul 18 #45

But think of it claudette Jul 18 #46

Not voting in November if Biden isn't the nominee is reckless. orange jar Jul 18 #55

Shades of 2016. yardwork Jul 18 #58

Very much so. orange jar Jul 18 #61

Post removed Post removed Jul 18 #59

I think that's a disgraceful way to speak of Democratic leaders. yardwork Jul 18 #57

Thank you. betsuni Jul 18 #31

Where where they when there were doubts last year? Klarkashton Jul 18 #6

The persons mentioned in the OP have been working hard all along. If you had been paying attention... Hekate Jul 18 #14

I just saw an ad on Youtube last night of Barack Obama raising money standingtall Jul 18 #7

Saw the same ad peggysue2 Jul 18 #50

I don't think any of these individuals AkFemDem Jul 18 #11

Democrats beholden to wealthy donors, billionaires and corporations are old Both Sides All Government Corrupt insults betsuni Jul 18 #12

No evidence but the donations. Mister Ed Jul 18 #15

How have Democrats changed their positions depending on donations? betsuni Jul 18 #16

I am not privy to their thoughts, nor their private discussions with donors. Mister Ed Jul 18 #21

What are examples (there must be many!) of Democrats changing their policy positions or votes depending on donations? betsuni Jul 18 #22

Well, I already gave you one, Mister Ed Jul 18 #24

"massive amounts of money are donated to campaigns and PACs" -- assuming all betsuni Jul 18 #30

That's a colossal strawman. Mister Ed Jul 18 #32

Well then, what's it about? Maybe somebody else can explain. betsuni Jul 18 #33

I wish I had the links...But Clinton gave the big donors bedroom rights. Dan Jul 18 #52

You are putting the case very, very politely, & I thank you for it Hekate Jul 18 #13

A feeding frenzy! betsuni Jul 18 #18

It's hard to keep up, but we shall try Hekate Jul 18 #19

Then I guess it's time for us to part ways ... n/t wackadoo wabbit Jul 18 #20

Good for you. speak easy Jul 18 #28

If the Democrats didn't have wealthy donors ... Straw Man Jul 18 #23

The point is, we are going to get Hubert Humphreyed because of this late second guessing bullshit. nt BootinUp Jul 18 #29

The point is - speak easy Jul 18 #35

People that have not been involved in the campaign are not the best judge. It is this lack of trust in Biden BootinUp Jul 18 #36

ur " People that have not been involved in the campaign" speak easy Jul 18 #37

Do your worst because I am definitely pissed off and dgaf. BootinUp Jul 18 #38

and vote for our nominee in November, speak easy Jul 18 #39

Now who's being naive? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 18 #40

All career politicians are "beholden" all corrupt? What evidence? betsuni Jul 18 #41

You don't get to the leadership positions without being beholden to someone. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 18 #42

Not the point. betsuni Jul 18 #48

Isn't Biden a career politician? SharonClark Jul 18 #49

Yes, exactly democrattotheend Jul 18 #51

He is. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 18 #62

I agree. Wingus Dingus Jul 18 #47

Left On speak easy!!!!!!! Faux pas Jul 18 #53

Well said Zeitghost Jul 18 #54

I'm with you. yardwork Jul 18 #56