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Bucky

(55,334 posts)
17. His former CO in the MNARNG is miffed at him
Wed Aug 14, 2024, 11:51 AM
Aug 2024

It's gonna get aired on Fox soon enough, so be prepared for this to be hyped. But here is the real vulnerability:

There's was no stolen honor. But he ended his enlistment contract before it expired so that he could run for Congress. As a 24 year veteran, that was his right. He gave plenty of notice.

After he gave notice, after he was in the pipeline to exit and run for office, his unit got deployment orders. The position he had moved into was Sergeant Major, and he would have held that rank in the deployment had he gone over to Italy with his battalion. (They were relieving a regular army battalion that was deploying to Afghanistan).

Only he had been calling his exit rank "Command Sergeant Major" (the patch with the star and laurels below) which he would have been had he deployed. But he exited a month or two before that, having achieved the office for that. Since he didn't deploy to the field, he was still a regular Sergeant Major, even if he'd received his insignia for the CSM posting. So in theory he was still at SgtMaj rank, the stripes with the star, but not the laurel leaves (below).

Both jobs are at E-8. Only the CSM is the command partner with the Major or Lt Col who commands the battalion and the SgtMaj has other administrative duties. If the SgtMaj moves over to the command partner position with the CO, then promotion to CSM is more or less automatic, as I understand it. But the field deployment itself didn't happen while Walz was in uniform. He'd actually been planning to exit his 24 years of service since February, but the paperwork went through in May and the deployment occurred in July.

It's an understandable but exploitable misunderstanding. But his exCO is correct about this break in protocol. I suspect he's a Trumper humper, but he's right that Walz should not be claiming CSM exit rank when he only had made SgtMaj.

Honestly, if his position was so critical, they would have stop-lossed him. But they didn't, so it's not like he left his team high and dry; he simply just kept getting promoted while his exit status was being processed.

I believe his ARNG pension rank is really only Master Sgt (E-7) since he held his last rank for less than two years, but that's a different discussion.

Anyhoo, here are the different E-8 insignia concerned

CmdSgtMaj


SgtMaj

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Signed up in the Marine Corps in 1970. I know, crazy, but... Wounded Bear Aug 2024 #1
Even in the Marines, the Majority Don't See Combat MineralMan Aug 2024 #2
Fantastic thread MineralMan. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #3
Thanks! MineralMan Aug 2024 #4
I seem Rebl2 Aug 2024 #13
Aside from the stupidity of questioning his service, its so easy to turn this around on them - the video they are tulipsandroses Aug 2024 #5
Excellent post. anciano Aug 2024 #6
My pleasure! MineralMan Aug 2024 #7
Funny how W's National Guard service was so glorious but John Kerry's actual battlefield action tetedur Aug 2024 #8
Good points! MineralMan Aug 2024 #9
George W Bush during Vietnam Seinan Sensei Aug 2024 #39
As I Recall.. ProfessorGAC Aug 2024 #51
I have basically the same story, but I enlisted in the Navy Emile Aug 2024 #10
Yes. The NG gets used in ways today that were not MineralMan Aug 2024 #11
To Be Fair... GB_RN Aug 2024 #38
Thanks for that info! MineralMan Aug 2024 #40
Absolutely! GB_RN Aug 2024 #55
My father was a B-17 pilot. MineralMan Aug 2024 #56
Mediterranean Theater of Operations... GB_RN Aug 2024 #57
463rd Bombardment Group (heavy) MineralMan Aug 2024 #58
Cool. GB_RN Aug 2024 #59
One other thing I feel I need to point out MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2024 #12
Yes, exactly. MineralMan Aug 2024 #14
By signing up you give up control underpants Aug 2024 #15
If you were a Cav Scout you weren't AT the front. COL Mustard Aug 2024 #32
Possibly underpants Aug 2024 #35
It worked for them with Kerry and Max Cleland ibegurpard Aug 2024 #16
Absolutely right, and some of us have long, long memories. Hoping that the Dem party fights back hard this time. Hekate Aug 2024 #46
His former CO in the MNARNG is miffed at him Bucky Aug 2024 #17
CSM/SGM are E-9 COL Mustard Aug 2024 #34
Its making them Figarosmom Aug 2024 #18
The GQP is nothing if not plain stupid relayerbob Aug 2024 #19
"...feel any shame now?" 3catwoman3 Aug 2024 #31
Agreed, it mostly a rhetorical question relayerbob Aug 2024 #37
Thank you for helping me know what to say when online trolls detract from Walz's service. ancianita Aug 2024 #20
Yes, thank you. Elessar Zappa Aug 2024 #21
When you enlist... TygrBright Aug 2024 #22
Belittling the service of a National Guard or Reservist in any branch is stupid. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2024 #23
If republicans will trash the honorable service of one vet Politicub Aug 2024 #24
Well, Trump thinks people in the military are stupid losers. MineralMan Aug 2024 #25
Well put Raven123 Aug 2024 #26
Excellent! LoisB Aug 2024 #27
Do the math... lame54 Aug 2024 #28
They will tell you it's because he lied liberal N proud Aug 2024 #29
Spot on, MM peggysue2 Aug 2024 #30
Say Thanks to your husband for me. MineralMan Aug 2024 #33
I'll pass the message along, MM peggysue2 Aug 2024 #42
Also, Walz signed up for the Guard when there was no draft, after Vietnam AdamGG Aug 2024 #36
Very good point! MineralMan Aug 2024 #41
It's just weird 🤯 cstanleytech Aug 2024 #43
My dad was the same as you - only 2 years older. TBF Aug 2024 #44
I enlisted musclecar6 Aug 2024 #45
Pro repug media ignoring orange turd draft dodging GoreWon2000 Aug 2024 #47
I'm still bothered by what they did to Walz Jarqui Aug 2024 #48
This would make a great opening post! Emile Aug 2024 #50
Thanks, MM. Senators Kerry and Cleland got slammed by the Swiftboaters, who should be ashamed Hekate Aug 2024 #49
By his own standards, Vantz abandoned his fellow Marines. keithbvadu2 Aug 2024 #52
They have no choice. They can't campaign on ideas because they have none. Buckeyeblue Aug 2024 #53
In 1969 I enlisted directly into the Seabees as a CE3 (E4) rickford66 Aug 2024 #54
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