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Self Esteem

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20. Harris did worse among minorities than both Biden and Hillary.
Mon Dec 2, 2024, 11:08 PM
Dec 2024

Black and Hispanic men especially.

Black men supported Hillary by a margin of +69 points.

Black men supported Harris by a margin of +56 points.

That's a swing of thirteen points since 2016.

Are we suggesting Black men are racist against Black women? After all, they supported Hillary by a large number. So, it can't be a sex issue (in fact, Hillary did +9 points better than Biden among Black men.

Hispanic men supported Hillary by a margin of +31 points.

Harris actually lost Hispanic men by a margin of ten-points.

In 2020, Biden was +23 with Hispanic men. So, like with Black men, he did worse than Hillary.

White men?

In 2016, they supported Trump by a margin of +31 vs Hillary.

In 2024, they supported Trump by a margin of +22 vs Harris.

That means Harris did nine-points better than Hillary vs Trump.

She did one-point better vs Trump than Biden did (Trump was +23 vs Biden in 2020).

Harris lost because she lost ground among Black and Hispanic voters.

She did worse than Hillary among Hispanic women too.

Hillary was +44 with Hispanic women in 2016.

Harris was only +19.

That's a huge difference.

Even Black women supported Hillary by a wider margin than Harris, albeit the shift was marginal.

In 2016, she won Black women by a margin of +90.

Harris won Black women by a margin of +85.

That five-point shift is still significant, tho.

In the end, white people shifted more toward Harris. People of color shifted more away from Harris.

I'm not sure it's smart to call Black men sexist (especially when they voted more for Hillary in 2016 than Biden) or Hispanic women racist. That is not going to resonate with these groups and it certainly won't win 'em back.

Data:

2016: https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2020: https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

2024: https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

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Our message is fine yes. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #1
Absolutely. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #2
Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #31
None of this means anything if the PutinGOP is cheating to win. Irish_Dem Dec 2024 #39
Didn't even spell the Vice President's name correctly, Quiet Em Dec 2024 #45
You seem to use the word "woke" in a derogatory way Quiet Em Dec 2024 #47
Our message can always be improved... SnoopDog Dec 2024 #3
We have no media for the Democratic Party,. That is why we lost. rich7862 Dec 2024 #26
Seems Self-Contradicting ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #4
Half of society is cheering on the cruelty and boorish behavior Quiet Em Dec 2024 #5
Then We Disagree ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #7
Just a quick glance at any election comments on social media Quiet Em Dec 2024 #9
That's Not Remotely Quantitative ProfessorGAC Dec 2024 #10
OK, then explain to me how running against, DEI, transgender people, women being treated as Quiet Em Dec 2024 #11
Well said BaronChocula Dec 2024 #18
Well, markodochartaigh Dec 2024 #17
The war on reality lame54 Dec 2024 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Dec 2024 #40
Real Wage Index is lowest in 70 years so telling some one the economy is great while ... uponit7771 Dec 2024 #8
I know Reddit doesn't let you hot link images BumRushDaShow Dec 2024 #13
I heard Harris focus on the economy, including increasing taxes on the wealthy. yardwork Dec 2024 #14
It's hard to craft a winning message when you're the party in power. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #19
Yep, their message now should be to hold Trump to a higher economic standard then they had knowing uponit7771 Dec 2024 #50
Addressing the high price of groceries could of been as simple as questionseverything Dec 2024 #55
Sure. But again, when you're the party in power, the next logical question is the same... Self Esteem Dec 2024 #56
She should of pushed the idea while campaigning questionseverything Dec 2024 #57
Have you learned nothing from our media?. We're supposed to blame ourselves when assholes vote for an asshole. hay rick Dec 2024 #12
Hmmm disagree Abstractartist Dec 2024 #15
I disagree...you can't reach ingrained racist sexist ppl, rich and poor alike that will never vote for a WOC, or any woman PortTack Dec 2024 #16
Harris did worse among minorities than both Biden and Hillary. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #20
So, less Black and Hispanic voters voted for a woman of color. Justice matters. Dec 2024 #29
I think this will be an election where a lot of people cut off their noses to spite their face. Self Esteem Dec 2024 #49
Hold on. No one requested actual facts. Jk23 Dec 2024 #52
We need to concentrate on the swing states questionseverything Dec 2024 #54
This is probably LilElf70 Dec 2024 #21
I had lots of repubs say, " he didn't do anything wrong or Biden would of put him in jail " questionseverything Dec 2024 #53
Not JUST that Quanta Dec 2024 #22
The sickness can only be cured by a specific message and policies ColinC Dec 2024 #23
Right, let's keep it up iemanja Dec 2024 #24
100 percent correct karin_sj Dec 2024 #25
Wrong IMO Beakybird Dec 2024 #27
Somehow I don't think our takeaway (well, if we actually want to win elections) should be 'the voters suck!' nt kelly1mm Dec 2024 #28
Agreed. Six117 Dec 2024 #30
Not "half the country." A huge number of people never bothered to vote. valleyrogue Dec 2024 #33
IMO Cosmocat Dec 2024 #36
Kamala Harris ran a flawless campaign. valleyrogue Dec 2024 #32
If the campaign was flawless then she could not have won under any circumstances Shrek Dec 2024 #43
Correct. Blaming, creating Democrats as fictional enemies. The key is "establishment." Only FDR isn't establishment, betsuni Dec 2024 #34
"Our message was not the problem. Our current society is the problem." J_William_Ryan Dec 2024 #35
This is the result of decades of continuous.. MaeScott Dec 2024 #37
THANK YOU for posting. Jit423 Dec 2024 #38
Stupid and wilfully ignorant people are the problem. Emile Dec 2024 #41
You can only take that argument so far. Asa13 Dec 2024 #42
Go on offense ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #44
The 3 reasons that the Dems lost videohead5 Dec 2024 #46
#4, 5, and 6 - racists, misogynists, and idiots RandomNumbers Dec 2024 #58
Well, clearly they didn't buy what we were selling. alarimer Dec 2024 #48
There is a problem with our message standingtall Dec 2024 #51
Yes there was. dawg Dec 2024 #59
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