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(23,894 posts) Thu Mar 20, 2025, 05:07 PM Mar 20

Sanders Tells Progressives to Abandon the Democrats [View all]

https://politicalwire.com/2025/03/20/bernie-sanders-tells-progressives-to-abandon-the-democrats/

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) “has a message for his fellow progressives: Why don’t you shed the Democratic label and run as an independent, the way he does?,” the New York Times reports.

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We need this sh*t starting up again like we need a hole in the head. I went to see him a couple of weeks ago.. I realize he is an independent.. fine with all that.. but we do not need the party being pulled apart.. so disappointed in him right now..

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edit to add.. so glad Walz in out there..

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Sanders Tells Progressives to Abandon the Democrats [View all] Peacetrain Mar 20 OP

Bernie, you are not helping. Ocelot II Mar 20 #1

At least he's doing SOMETHING stoned Mar 20 #39

Post removed Post removed Mar 20 #76

No he certainly is not Hekate Mar 20 #126

Yeah, move to Vermont dalton99a Mar 20 #2

There's an independent in Maine, too al bupp Mar 21 #177

We do not need this shit! SheltieLover Mar 20 #3

Agree, the last thing we need is a Centrist Hit Piece Emile Mar 21 #183

It sounds to me like he's saying run your own campaign senseandsensibility Mar 20 #4

"like 'he' does" - is talking about Sanders, not Trump. intheflow Mar 20 #19

Yeah, I think you're right senseandsensibility Mar 20 #28

I'm not sure the independents in the places where we currently can't win would reflect Sanders' positions EdmondDantes_ Mar 21 #191

That's what I think too. If people who don't identify with Democrats running Independents will help Autumn Mar 20 #42

Post removed Post removed Mar 20 #5

👍 musette_sf Mar 20 #47

IMO Bernie would of beat TSF Greyhead Mar 20 #64

So why did Kamala not win? All the baggage from being mixed-race? Or was it misogyny? Hekate Mar 21 #128

Amen. Quiet Em Mar 21 #136

Any time, believe me. Any time. Hekate Mar 21 #143

Both. Misogyny, but being mixed race was the clincher for enough elocs Mar 21 #155

Just one name: Barack Hussein Obama Hekate Mar 21 #157

Women are automatically doubted, untrustworthy, hiding something, liar. betsuni Mar 21 #158

Yes, and being male made all the difference. n/n elocs Mar 21 #163

I agree with you on both points about Hillary Greyhead Mar 21 #175

We're close enough in age, you & I, to have seen a lot of things change, & to be optimistic about the future... Hekate Mar 21 #181

Hekate bdamomma Mar 22 #257

What I kept seeing is her being equated with Biden. NH Ethylene Mar 22 #255

Nah, Bernie had that socialist label and would've gotten swamped by the magat brush Mar 21 #137

Bernie proudly wears the socialist label, tho he sometimes hems & haws over the definition... Hekate Mar 21 #144

Absolutely. brush Mar 21 #145

But the maggots weren't as entrenched as they are now Greyhead Mar 21 #174

Do you not remember the people Bernie hired to run his campaign? 58Sunliner Mar 21 #201

What reasons? Greyhead Mar 21 #218

Or we could... Bmoboy Mar 20 #6

Shocker... Bernie is dividing the Democratic Party... FalloutShelter Mar 20 #7

He can't seem to help himself. LisaM Mar 20 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 20 #92

Thanks for the clarification. FalloutShelter Mar 20 #97

That's arguably even worse. W_HAMILTON Mar 20 #116

Yes it is Hekate Mar 21 #129

I can't believe he's pulling this shit again. Scrivener7 Mar 22 #229

What a jerk. JohnSJ Mar 20 #8

. SSJVegeta Mar 20 #93

What a steaming pile! Nobody is preventing anyone from becoming a Democrat. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #194

Joe Biden should have been the answer to Bernie and "the workingmen's" prayers then Hekate Mar 22 #258

Bernie was almost literally shouting from the rooftops SSJVegeta Mar 22 #265

if he's speaking in a red state...it makes sense to stillcool Mar 20 #9

There's an IF clause. If the Democrats don't reach out then people will be running as independents usonian Mar 20 #10

So much tone deafness. The monied class is not you if you're working everyday. Tootbsb Mar 20 #57

The people want somebody that will fight for them bob4460 Mar 20 #11

Who is "rolling over" ... how are they "rolling over". Oopsie Daisy Mar 20 #14

Wondering same MorbidButterflyTat Mar 20 #29

Thank you! I'm sick and tired of these baseless accusations and nonstop shitting on Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 20 #33

Uh....Chuck Schumer? Prof. Toru Tanaka Mar 20 #62

Really? How did he "roll over" .... what would you have had him do instead? Oopsie Daisy Mar 20 #84

What does "corporate lead party" mean exactly? Who has changed policies because of corporations? betsuni Mar 20 #37

Performative buzz words. Where's my BINGO card? Oopsie Daisy Mar 20 #51

We sure do -- like Joe Biden did every day of his presidency. Really odd how Bernie chokes on the words ... Hekate Mar 21 #131

Why would he want to sabotage, divide and weaken the Democratic party? Oopsie Daisy Mar 20 #12

Why all the contempt for an old man who is on the road fighting against Oligarchs and fascists Magoo48 Mar 21 #185

"Contempt"?? Oh good grief! Spare me! It's absurd characterize it that way... as if it's "personal" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #193

I'm a lefty liberal, progressive. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean shit unless I act like one. Magoo48 Mar 21 #195

Oh, I see. So am I to understand that "voting one's conscience" is more important than actually winning? Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #198

yet, with all the "Smart", here we are. Magoo48 Mar 21 #211

Yep... lots of people still defending voting third party and splitting the liberal/progressive vote-count * Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #212

In our system, voting third party is a loser and a waste. Magoo48 Mar 22 #235

It is often intriguing to observe criticisms directed towards the Democratic party from external sources rather than * Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #236

We are at an impasse, but we vote the same way. Magoo48 Mar 22 #239

There exists a distinction between merely voting for Democrats and actively supporting the party through meaningful * Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #240

Propaganda by Bernie haters adam_vermont Mar 20 #13

Take your own advice. Cha Mar 20 #27

Well said mcar Mar 20 #98

Bernie IS A FIGHTER! AOC is a FIGHTER IrishBubbaLiberal Mar 20 #109

I want someone that actually accomplishes something... W_HAMILTON Mar 20 #122

I'm finding it very odd and damaging that Bernie doesn't Nixie Mar 20 #124

What Nixie said Hekate Mar 21 #130

Bull shite! ReRe Mar 21 #178

The all time low approval ratings are encouraging the idea that incremental/compromise betsuni Mar 21 #196

Highly Recommended! Excellent post, W_Hamilton. sheshe2 Mar 21 #127

Republicans? What are republicans? Magoo48 Mar 21 #197

Mahalo, mcar.. Cha Mar 20 #113

Exactly 💯 FirstLight Mar 20 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Mar 22 #231

Be careful SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #15

that's Bernie nt WhiteTara Mar 20 #16

Okay, party over country, got it! intheflow Mar 20 #17

Exactly! Finally a reasonable reply. Thank You. nm mikewv Mar 20 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 20 #94

There are many Democrats who support Sander's message SnoopDog Mar 20 #18

Yes, there are many Democrats who Love Bernie thought crime Mar 21 #150

I concur! ReRe Mar 21 #179

The Democratic Party: policies for the working/middles classes (policies that work, not just yelling promises). betsuni Mar 20 #20

Exactly! mcar Mar 20 #103

You're just fighten' mad aren't you? ReRe Mar 21 #180

Who said this: betsuni Mar 21 #219

I don't have the slightest idea. Who said that? ReRe Mar 22 #223

Political science Bmoboy Mar 20 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author justaprogressive Mar 20 #22

FFS No one's reading the article leftstreet Mar 20 #23

Exactly alarimer Mar 20 #44

Big contingent of people here ibegurpard Mar 20 #54

It's absolutely exhausting... róisín_dubh Mar 21 #153

Bernie can go fuck himself I can say that because he's not a Democrat never has been & never will be. William769 Mar 20 #24

He certainly does everything he can to make our Democracy stronger, and SnoopDog Mar 20 #26

And yet he's not a Democrat. William769 Mar 20 #31

Which of Sander's political policies do you disagree with? SnoopDog Mar 20 #35

Does not matter. William769 Mar 20 #38

Here is one of my disagreements with the 2024 Dem Platform: SnoopDog Mar 20 #41

What did we have before the ACA? William769 Mar 20 #43

According to the 2024 Dem Platform, the Democrats want to keep the ACA. SnoopDog Mar 20 #50

They also want to lower prescription drug cost. William769 Mar 20 #58

Thanks for the civil chat!..nt SnoopDog Mar 20 #71

At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems Celerity Mar 21 #133

Thanks for this. William769 Mar 21 #134

With the fear of losing my SS & all my income, I'm on edge & stress all the time now. n/t elocs Mar 21 #156

LBJ created Medicare, not FDR SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #61

I thought many, if not most, Americans (including unions) wanted the option of private health insurance. betsuni Mar 21 #141

What he said: Passages Mar 20 #83

What he said is on the record. lapucelle Mar 20 #114

I need to see this in video, touring with AOC to get Dems to run as independent sounds incredulous uponit7771 Mar 21 #167

He said it in an interview to the New york Times. There's a direct quote. lapucelle Mar 21 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 20 #102

SANDERS NEVER SAID OP CLAIM !!! uponit7771 Mar 21 #166

This has been posted throughout this thread & fallen on deaf ears. William769 Mar 21 #168

...and I said I need video, sounds opposite of "Tours with AOC" then. says something this fucked up uponit7771 Mar 21 #170

"told the times" ...that In and of itself is a red flag. I'll wait for video before assigning a quote like that to uponit7771 Mar 21 #172

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, is it? Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #217

Here is the quote from the PoliticalWire article.. SnoopDog Mar 20 #25

Wait. So the headline in the article was a lie? SSJVegeta Mar 20 #56

Short article but from the comments 98% never read it... See that a lot. Woodwizard Mar 20 #88

Here's the link from the Political Wire article. lapucelle Mar 20 #115

So how will Sanders tearing up the Democratic Party and supporting what he does allowed under DU rules? valleyrogue Mar 20 #30

I commend Senator Sanders for everything he's been doing with these Fight the Oligarchs rallies, but . . . peggysue2 Mar 20 #32

What he said: Passages Mar 20 #79

What he also said. lapucelle Mar 20 #117

Need video, sounds antithetical to tour uponit7771 Mar 21 #169

He said it in an interview to the New York Times. It's a direct quote. lapucelle Mar 21 #199

Again, don't trust NYT and need video cause this is mondo bullshit coming from him if true. uponit7771 Mar 21 #214

If it's false, why hasn't he (or any of his spokespersons) denied or explained it? Hmmm? Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #220

Cause he doesn't answer to NYT lies? I'll wait, if he's down with what he's said he'll say it again but on the face of uponit7771 Mar 22 #221

A lot of folks are checking off the items in this list, I see. There aren't many left. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #225

Wow! Exactly. I find those kind of supporters amazingly ignorant of the person -- think quotes (things the person betsuni Mar 22 #241

I don't see "I'll wait to hear it directly from him again" on the list uponit7771 Mar 22 #242

That would fall under "Deflection" and/or "Misrepresentation" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #244

"explicitly quoted" only if absolute trust has been established, it hasn't and never should be.. uponit7771 Mar 22 #245

And there we go... two more checkmarks added. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #246

Again, both hinge if blind acceptance and that's what MAGA does. I've also said I'd change my uponit7771 Mar 22 #248

The objective was made clear in the interview. I take him at his word. Why would he lie? Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #249

I don't blindly trust the NYT with this gating information... I don't see why that's an issue. Especially seeing the .. uponit7771 Mar 22 #250

Yes, so you've said. I've already put a check mark in that column. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #260

GREAT !!! We agree we don't eat shit on the big issues without confirming what M$M says ... Also looks like another ... uponit7771 Mar 23 #266

MM right here on Ari Melber 03/21/25 (already posted on DU). betsuni Mar 23 #267

No. Wrong again... The checkmark was added on YOUR behalf, as a predictable response * Oopsie Daisy Mar 23 #268

Message is clear. Bernie surrogate Michael Moore repeats it: betsuni Mar 22 #253

And there we have it again! Confirmation! Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #259

Good description by Roy Delfino: betsuni Mar 22 #263

In the context of his first statement. Passages Mar 21 #184

"Why don't you shed the Democratic label and run as an independent, the way he does?," MichMan Mar 20 #36

That is not what he said, that's the 'interpretation' by the article's author AZJonnie Mar 20 #85

Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is a notorious clout-chaser who uses slanted hyped-up headlines for clicks, plus the OP Celerity Mar 20 #108

Here's the on the record quote from the New York Times interview lapucelle Mar 20 #119

Media and Money, his words. sheshe2 Mar 21 #132

It appears to be a strategy. lapucelle Mar 21 #161

It should be noted that last year SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #40

Democratic Party is the best for me Comrade Citizen Mar 20 #45

Yeah... that's gonna help win elections. Initech Mar 20 #48

I can't imagine why he would suggest that. Passages Mar 20 #49

Bernie has never been one of us Littlered Mar 20 #52

Be quiet Bernie mcar Mar 20 #53

Did you hear what he said? The headline is incorrect: SSJVegeta Mar 20 #100

Who did Joe Biden help with everything he did for this country? mcar Mar 20 #105

He also said this in his on the record interview with the New York Times. lapucelle Mar 20 #121

. SSJVegeta Mar 21 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 20 #55

Thank You! nm mikewv Mar 20 #65

The Times interviewed him. What he said is on the record. lapucelle Mar 20 #101

. SSJVegeta Mar 21 #142

We've been having this discussion since Eugene McCarthy OutNow Mar 20 #59

I worked on the Gene McCarthy campaign all thru 1968. And Bernie, sir, is no Gene McCarthy. Hekate Mar 21 #146

AOC appears to be "touring" with him stoned Mar 20 #60

The Left vs. the Right... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 20 #66

This place needs a way to unrec demonstrably false articles -eom vanessa_ca Mar 20 #67

There should also probably be a specific thing for "smearing (not just bashing) Democratic public figures" SSJVegeta Mar 20 #72

There should be an alert SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #77

Use the Alert system. It's not perfect, but it works well enough. Hekate Mar 21 #148

DU used to have an unrec button. intheflow Mar 21 #192

Post removed Post removed Mar 20 #68

He didnt say that. SSJVegeta Mar 20 #70

Sanders--the guy who ran against Hillary in '16 before dropping out, endorsing her, and elocs Mar 20 #69

For what its worth, the headline is false SSJVegeta Mar 20 #73

It is a misrepresentation. Passages Mar 20 #74

Because it riles up the bingo brigade. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 20 #78

The headline is from Political Wire SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #86

To get democrats against Bernie probably. SSJVegeta Mar 20 #90

Clicks. Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is known for selectively framing, and is now far worse since he went paywall. Celerity Mar 20 #112

What Sanders also said... lapucelle Mar 20 #123

Thank you for that, I appreciate it. Passages Mar 21 #188

+1 It's a misleading centrist hit piece. Emile Mar 21 #190

No Democrat supporting Sanders ever would vote for trump... SnoopDog Mar 20 #81

From 2017: Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump elocs Mar 21 #154

Note that there are many types of Democrats... SnoopDog Mar 21 #207

Many people who voted for Sanders in the primary weren't Democrats. Mariana Mar 22 #264

This is not true. H2O Man Mar 20 #75

Like Biden did every day of his administration, and gets no credit for it from Bernie Hekate Mar 21 #149

Joe and Bernie H2O Man Mar 22 #262

Oh my God! JustAnotherGen Mar 20 #80

What he actually said: Passages Mar 20 #82

What he actually also said. lapucelle Mar 21 #162

Indeed! Those independents running "outside of the Democratic Party" WOULD BE running against Democrats!! Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #206

But they are still talking about JustAnotherGen Mar 21 #171

When you look at the demographics, Trump did better with minorities than in 2016. Passages Mar 21 #187

What if half of the "Independents" vote republican? BunkieBandit Mar 20 #87

Be wary of attacks on Bernie right now thought crime Mar 20 #89

These kinds of fake headlines likely have an ulterior motive SSJVegeta Mar 20 #95

Bernie has been dividing Dems since 2016. nt LexVegas Mar 20 #91

He didnt say what it says he did SSJVegeta Mar 20 #99

He's promoting third-party candidates who run AGAINST Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #208

Indeed he said what i said he didnt say he said SSJVegeta Mar 21 #210

Here we go again Meowmee Mar 20 #96

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately" Dem4life1970 Mar 20 #104

A house divided against itself SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Yavin4 Mar 20 #106

What he said: Passages Mar 20 #110

Bernie did not say that!!! He said leave the party ImNotGod Mar 20 #111

The Times interviewed him Here's the quote. lapucelle Mar 20 #118

Thank you for having the patience to yorkster Mar 21 #135

. SSJVegeta Mar 21 #140

I keep rec'ing this. sheshe2 Mar 21 #151

He should be trying to get progressives to take over the Democratic Party LS0999 Mar 20 #120

I want to be a Social Democrat, as in Northern Europe. Trust_Reality Mar 22 #261

Every time I start to like Bernie, he goes and craps all over MY party Hekate Mar 20 #125

Can we PLEASE point the guns of our rage in the right f-ing direction? pat_k Mar 21 #138

Based on the content in the link, that is not a remotely accurate reflection of what Sanders said fishwax Mar 21 #147

It's terrifying how many people don't read past the clickbait headline questionseverything Mar 21 #152

What's terrifying is the number of people who don't click on the link in the Political Wire blurb lapucelle Mar 21 #160

I have to respectfully... Mike Nelson Mar 21 #159

Sanders didn't say what OP claims!!! uponit7771 Mar 21 #165

****SANDERS DIDN'T SAY THAT !!!**** Decisive thread uponit7771 Mar 21 #164

He's promoting the notion of third-party candidates to run AGAINST Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #209

Need video, nothing on this but a NYT quote ... that's some really bad shit right there. uponit7771 Mar 21 #213

It was probably a face-to-face or telephone interview and not on video. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #215

This post/thread... same as it ever was. demmiblue Mar 21 #173

There is always a handful of ppl who will react if Sanders is in the story. The rally with AOC last night Nanjeanne Mar 21 #182

Wait! LMFTFY: There are always people who will step up to defend the Democratic party, its members and its leadership * Oopsie Daisy Mar 23 #270

Thank you. This isn't complicated. Don't attack, lie, insult, threaten the party for no reason and there's no problem. betsuni Mar 23 #272

Trump wants to dismantle the Federal Government... Omnipresent Mar 21 #176

What we really need is to push out the Vichy Dems and make the part what it should be: mucholderthandirt Mar 21 #186

Mistake Bernie kansasobama Mar 21 #189

Can people still belong to political parties? Are they required to? Ping Tung Mar 21 #202

Bernie isn't a Democrat RJ-MacReady Mar 21 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Mar 21 #204

I'm aDemocrat, . I also like Bernie. I know Bernie would NEVER vote for TSF. NEVER! bluestarone Mar 21 #205

As usual Bernie is correct the_liberal_grandpa Mar 21 #216

Yet he and AOC turn out 34,000 in Denver today. Get outta here with this crap. Duncan Grant Mar 22 #222

I'm beginning to think this was a misleading centrist hit piece Emile Mar 22 #224

Great idea, run an Independent, and a Democrat against a MAGA, what could go wrong? dem4decades Mar 22 #226

How many people did Chuck Schumer draw at his town halls this week? Emile Mar 22 #227

So we're going to run an Independent against him? dem4decades Mar 22 #237

Great idea. Run a democrat against a guy that voted with the Republican majority. Emile Mar 22 #238

Oh, for fuck's sake. Scrivener7 Mar 22 #228

The party just needs more like Schumer. LiberalArkie Mar 22 #230

Slicing and dicing is how we got in this mess to begin with. Vinca Mar 22 #232

This is the NYT grasping at straws to slam Dems LSparkle Mar 22 #233

Party Up! SalamanderSleeps Mar 22 #234

Whenever I start to really like him, he pulls this garbage. travelingthrulife Mar 22 #243

anyone-but-Bernie derangement syndrome mike_c Mar 22 #247

That makes no sense Progressive dog Mar 22 #251

Well, he's out there along with a couple others. Joinfortmill Mar 22 #252

Crap bdamomma Mar 22 #254

Bernie surrogate Michael Moore repeats the message: Democrats aren't the cavalry, independents are. betsuni Mar 22 #256

Hey, Michael Moore... Oopsie Daisy Mar 23 #273

The only thing I will say TheFarseer Mar 23 #269

Despite what others are saying in this thread, this is Bernie's message. Emile Mar 23 #271

I've watched 5 of the events so far that Bernie, AOC, and their guests have done. I've watched most from the Nanjeanne Mar 23 #274