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133. At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems

Reply to William769 (Reply #58)

Fri Mar 21, 2025, 12:25 AM

Mar 21

who undercut our messaging and tried to reverse some of Biden's and most of the rest of our Party's good work. They worked with Rethugs to do Big Pharma's bidding.

Democrats Josh Gottheimer (NJ), Wiley Nickel (NC), Scott Peters (CA), and Donald Davis (NC) all co-sponsored at least one of multiple bills that would stifle regulators’ ability to bring down prices of drugs covered by the Medicare. The bills would significantly reduce or outright block the drug price reduction framework contained in Biden's 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.

3 of the 4 are or were (Nickel retired) No Labels' Problem Solvers Caucus members, with Gottheimer being the co-chair, and the 4th, Davis, was the lone Democratic co-sponsor of a bill by Rethugs Greg Murphy and Brett Guthrie that significantly weakens Medicare's ability to lower prices:

The lone Democrat willing to weaken Medicare’s power to negotiate drug prices

https://www.statnews.com/2024/02/05/democrat-weaken-medicare-drug-price-negotiation/

All 4 are or were also in the moderate/centrist New Democrat Coalition, with Nickel and Gottheimer also in the conservative Blue Dog Coalition (Gottheimer still is, Nickel, as stated retired).

One of the bills, the Optimizing Research Progress Hope and News (ORPHAN) Cures Act, would exclude vital drugs for many diseases from the price reduction process.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5539/text?s=1&r=88

Two other bills,

the Maintaining Investments in New Innovation (MINI) Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5547

and the Ensuring Pathways to Innovative Cures (EPIC) Act,

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7174/cosponsors?s=7&r=1

would delay or block the price reduction apparatus for many other drugs.

The four have cumulatively taken in more than $400,000 from Big Pharma during just the 2023–2024 congressional session.

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/don-davis/industries?cid=N00049636&cycle=2024

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/josh-gottheimer/industries?cid=N00036944&cycle=2024

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/wiley-nickel/pacs?cid=N00049133&cycle=2024

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/scott-peters/industries?cid=N00033591&cycle=2024

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Why all the contempt for an old man who is on the road fighting against Oligarchs and fascists Magoo48 Mar 21 #185

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He certainly does everything he can to make our Democracy stronger, and SnoopDog Mar 20 #26

And yet he's not a Democrat. William769 Mar 20 #31

Which of Sander's political policies do you disagree with? SnoopDog Mar 20 #35

Does not matter. William769 Mar 20 #38

Here is one of my disagreements with the 2024 Dem Platform: SnoopDog Mar 20 #41

What did we have before the ACA? William769 Mar 20 #43

According to the 2024 Dem Platform, the Democrats want to keep the ACA. SnoopDog Mar 20 #50

They also want to lower prescription drug cost. William769 Mar 20 #58

Thanks for the civil chat!..nt SnoopDog Mar 20 #71

At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems Celerity Mar 21 #133

Thanks for this. William769 Mar 21 #134

With the fear of losing my SS & all my income, I'm on edge & stress all the time now. n/t elocs Mar 21 #156

LBJ created Medicare, not FDR SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #61

I thought many, if not most, Americans (including unions) wanted the option of private health insurance. betsuni Mar 21 #141

What he said: Passages Mar 20 #83

What he said is on the record. lapucelle Mar 20 #114

I need to see this in video, touring with AOC to get Dems to run as independent sounds incredulous uponit7771 Mar 21 #167

He said it in an interview to the New york Times. There's a direct quote. lapucelle Mar 21 #200

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SANDERS NEVER SAID OP CLAIM !!! uponit7771 Mar 21 #166

This has been posted throughout this thread & fallen on deaf ears. William769 Mar 21 #168

...and I said I need video, sounds opposite of "Tours with AOC" then. says something this fucked up uponit7771 Mar 21 #170

"told the times" ...that In and of itself is a red flag. I'll wait for video before assigning a quote like that to uponit7771 Mar 21 #172

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, is it? Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #217

Here is the quote from the PoliticalWire article.. SnoopDog Mar 20 #25

Wait. So the headline in the article was a lie? SSJVegeta Mar 20 #56

Short article but from the comments 98% never read it... See that a lot. Woodwizard Mar 20 #88

Here's the link from the Political Wire article. lapucelle Mar 20 #115

So how will Sanders tearing up the Democratic Party and supporting what he does allowed under DU rules? valleyrogue Mar 20 #30

I commend Senator Sanders for everything he's been doing with these Fight the Oligarchs rallies, but . . . peggysue2 Mar 20 #32

What he said: Passages Mar 20 #79

What he also said. lapucelle Mar 20 #117

Need video, sounds antithetical to tour uponit7771 Mar 21 #169

He said it in an interview to the New York Times. It's a direct quote. lapucelle Mar 21 #199

Again, don't trust NYT and need video cause this is mondo bullshit coming from him if true. uponit7771 Mar 21 #214

If it's false, why hasn't he (or any of his spokespersons) denied or explained it? Hmmm? Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #220

Cause he doesn't answer to NYT lies? I'll wait, if he's down with what he's said he'll say it again but on the face of uponit7771 Mar 22 #221

A lot of folks are checking off the items in this list, I see. There aren't many left. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #225

Wow! Exactly. I find those kind of supporters amazingly ignorant of the person -- think quotes (things the person betsuni Mar 22 #241

I don't see "I'll wait to hear it directly from him again" on the list uponit7771 Mar 22 #242

That would fall under "Deflection" and/or "Misrepresentation" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #244

"explicitly quoted" only if absolute trust has been established, it hasn't and never should be.. uponit7771 Mar 22 #245

And there we go... two more checkmarks added. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #246

Again, both hinge if blind acceptance and that's what MAGA does. I've also said I'd change my uponit7771 Mar 22 #248

The objective was made clear in the interview. I take him at his word. Why would he lie? Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #249

I don't blindly trust the NYT with this gating information... I don't see why that's an issue. Especially seeing the .. uponit7771 Mar 22 #250

Yes, so you've said. I've already put a check mark in that column. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #260

GREAT !!! We agree we don't eat shit on the big issues without confirming what M$M says ... Also looks like another ... uponit7771 Mar 23 #266

MM right here on Ari Melber 03/21/25 (already posted on DU). betsuni Mar 23 #267

No. Wrong again... The checkmark was added on YOUR behalf, as a predictable response * Oopsie Daisy Mar 23 #268

Message is clear. Bernie surrogate Michael Moore repeats it: betsuni Mar 22 #253

And there we have it again! Confirmation! Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #259

Good description by Roy Delfino: betsuni Mar 22 #263

In the context of his first statement. Passages Mar 21 #184

"Why don't you shed the Democratic label and run as an independent, the way he does?," MichMan Mar 20 #36

That is not what he said, that's the 'interpretation' by the article's author AZJonnie Mar 20 #85

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Here's the on the record quote from the New York Times interview lapucelle Mar 20 #119

Media and Money, his words. sheshe2 Mar 21 #132

It appears to be a strategy. lapucelle Mar 21 #161

It should be noted that last year SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #40

Democratic Party is the best for me Comrade Citizen Mar 20 #45

Yeah... that's gonna help win elections. Initech Mar 20 #48

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Be quiet Bernie mcar Mar 20 #53

Did you hear what he said? The headline is incorrect: SSJVegeta Mar 20 #100

Who did Joe Biden help with everything he did for this country? mcar Mar 20 #105

He also said this in his on the record interview with the New York Times. lapucelle Mar 20 #121

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Thank You! nm mikewv Mar 20 #65

The Times interviewed him. What he said is on the record. lapucelle Mar 20 #101

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We've been having this discussion since Eugene McCarthy OutNow Mar 20 #59

I worked on the Gene McCarthy campaign all thru 1968. And Bernie, sir, is no Gene McCarthy. Hekate Mar 21 #146

AOC appears to be "touring" with him stoned Mar 20 #60

The Left vs. the Right... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 20 #66

This place needs a way to unrec demonstrably false articles -eom vanessa_ca Mar 20 #67

There should also probably be a specific thing for "smearing (not just bashing) Democratic public figures" SSJVegeta Mar 20 #72

There should be an alert SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #77

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DU used to have an unrec button. intheflow Mar 21 #192

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He didnt say that. SSJVegeta Mar 20 #70

Sanders--the guy who ran against Hillary in '16 before dropping out, endorsing her, and elocs Mar 20 #69

For what its worth, the headline is false SSJVegeta Mar 20 #73

It is a misrepresentation. Passages Mar 20 #74

Because it riles up the bingo brigade. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 20 #78

The headline is from Political Wire SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #86

To get democrats against Bernie probably. SSJVegeta Mar 20 #90

Clicks. Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is known for selectively framing, and is now far worse since he went paywall. Celerity Mar 20 #112

What Sanders also said... lapucelle Mar 20 #123

Thank you for that, I appreciate it. Passages Mar 21 #188

+1 It's a misleading centrist hit piece. Emile Mar 21 #190

No Democrat supporting Sanders ever would vote for trump... SnoopDog Mar 20 #81

From 2017: Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump elocs Mar 21 #154

Note that there are many types of Democrats... SnoopDog Mar 21 #207

Many people who voted for Sanders in the primary weren't Democrats. Mariana Mar 22 #264

This is not true. H2O Man Mar 20 #75

Like Biden did every day of his administration, and gets no credit for it from Bernie Hekate Mar 21 #149

Joe and Bernie H2O Man Mar 22 #262

Oh my God! JustAnotherGen Mar 20 #80

What he actually said: Passages Mar 20 #82

What he actually also said. lapucelle Mar 21 #162

Indeed! Those independents running "outside of the Democratic Party" WOULD BE running against Democrats!! Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #206

But they are still talking about JustAnotherGen Mar 21 #171

When you look at the demographics, Trump did better with minorities than in 2016. Passages Mar 21 #187

What if half of the "Independents" vote republican? BunkieBandit Mar 20 #87

Be wary of attacks on Bernie right now thought crime Mar 20 #89

These kinds of fake headlines likely have an ulterior motive SSJVegeta Mar 20 #95

Bernie has been dividing Dems since 2016. nt LexVegas Mar 20 #91

He didnt say what it says he did SSJVegeta Mar 20 #99

He's promoting third-party candidates who run AGAINST Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #208

Indeed he said what i said he didnt say he said SSJVegeta Mar 21 #210

Here we go again Meowmee Mar 20 #96

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately" Dem4life1970 Mar 20 #104

A house divided against itself SocialDemocrat61 Mar 20 #107

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What he said: Passages Mar 20 #110

Bernie did not say that!!! He said leave the party ImNotGod Mar 20 #111

The Times interviewed him Here's the quote. lapucelle Mar 20 #118

Thank you for having the patience to yorkster Mar 21 #135

. SSJVegeta Mar 21 #140

I keep rec'ing this. sheshe2 Mar 21 #151

He should be trying to get progressives to take over the Democratic Party LS0999 Mar 20 #120

I want to be a Social Democrat, as in Northern Europe. Trust_Reality Mar 22 #261

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Can we PLEASE point the guns of our rage in the right f-ing direction? pat_k Mar 21 #138

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It's terrifying how many people don't read past the clickbait headline questionseverything Mar 21 #152

What's terrifying is the number of people who don't click on the link in the Political Wire blurb lapucelle Mar 21 #160

I have to respectfully... Mike Nelson Mar 21 #159

Sanders didn't say what OP claims!!! uponit7771 Mar 21 #165

****SANDERS DIDN'T SAY THAT !!!**** Decisive thread uponit7771 Mar 21 #164

He's promoting the notion of third-party candidates to run AGAINST Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #209

Need video, nothing on this but a NYT quote ... that's some really bad shit right there. uponit7771 Mar 21 #213

It was probably a face-to-face or telephone interview and not on video. Oopsie Daisy Mar 21 #215

This post/thread... same as it ever was. demmiblue Mar 21 #173

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Mistake Bernie kansasobama Mar 21 #189

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So we're going to run an Independent against him? dem4decades Mar 22 #237

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anyone-but-Bernie derangement syndrome mike_c Mar 22 #247

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