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Oopsie Daisy

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206. Indeed! Those independents running "outside of the Democratic Party" WOULD BE running against Democrats!!

Fri Mar 21, 2025, 11:55 AM

Mar 2025

Wouldn't those "independents run[ning] outside of the Democratic Party" be running against Democrats?

Indeed! Those independents running "outside of the Democratic Party" WOULD BE running against Democrats!! That's absolutely true! This website is FOR Democrats, and if my memory serves me correctly, there's a prohibition against promoting third-party spoiler candidates.

Hang on... let me check. Yes! I found it... here it is:

Do not post support for Republicans or independent/third-party "spoiler" candidates. Do not state that you are not going to vote, or that you will write-in a candidate that is not on the ballot, or that you intend to vote for any candidate other than the official Democratic nominee in any general election where a Democrat is on the ballot. Do not post anything that smears Democrats generally, or that is intended to dissuade people from supporting the Democratic Party or its candidates. Don't argue there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

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Sanders Tells Progressives to Abandon the Democrats [View all] Peacetrain Mar 2025 OP

Bernie, you are not helping. Ocelot II Mar 2025 #1

At least he's doing SOMETHING stoned Mar 2025 #39

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #76

No he certainly is not Hekate Mar 2025 #126

Yeah, move to Vermont dalton99a Mar 2025 #2

There's an independent in Maine, too al bupp Mar 2025 #177

We do not need this shit! SheltieLover Mar 2025 #3

Agree, the last thing we need is a Centrist Hit Piece Emile Mar 2025 #183

It sounds to me like he's saying run your own campaign senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #4

"like 'he' does" - is talking about Sanders, not Trump. intheflow Mar 2025 #19

Yeah, I think you're right senseandsensibility Mar 2025 #28

I'm not sure the independents in the places where we currently can't win would reflect Sanders' positions EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #191

That's what I think too. If people who don't identify with Democrats running Independents will help Autumn Mar 2025 #42

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #5

👍 musette_sf Mar 2025 #47

IMO Bernie would of beat TSF Greyhead Mar 2025 #64

So why did Kamala not win? All the baggage from being mixed-race? Or was it misogyny? Hekate Mar 2025 #128

Amen. Quiet Em Mar 2025 #136

Any time, believe me. Any time. Hekate Mar 2025 #143

Both. Misogyny, but being mixed race was the clincher for enough elocs Mar 2025 #155

Just one name: Barack Hussein Obama Hekate Mar 2025 #157

Women are automatically doubted, untrustworthy, hiding something, liar. betsuni Mar 2025 #158

Yes, and being male made all the difference. n/n elocs Mar 2025 #163

I agree with you on both points about Hillary Greyhead Mar 2025 #175

We're close enough in age, you & I, to have seen a lot of things change, & to be optimistic about the future... Hekate Mar 2025 #181

Hekate bdamomma Mar 2025 #257

What I kept seeing is her being equated with Biden. NH Ethylene Mar 2025 #255

Nah, Bernie had that socialist label and would've gotten swamped by the magat brush Mar 2025 #137

Bernie proudly wears the socialist label, tho he sometimes hems & haws over the definition... Hekate Mar 2025 #144

Absolutely. brush Mar 2025 #145

But the maggots weren't as entrenched as they are now Greyhead Mar 2025 #174

Do you not remember the people Bernie hired to run his campaign? 58Sunliner Mar 2025 #201

What reasons? Greyhead Mar 2025 #218

Or we could... Bmoboy Mar 2025 #6

Shocker... Bernie is dividing the Democratic Party... FalloutShelter Mar 2025 #7

He can't seem to help himself. LisaM Mar 2025 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #92

Thanks for the clarification. FalloutShelter Mar 2025 #97

That's arguably even worse. W_HAMILTON Mar 2025 #116

Yes it is Hekate Mar 2025 #129

I can't believe he's pulling this shit again. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #229

What a jerk. JohnSJ Mar 2025 #8

. SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #93

What a steaming pile! Nobody is preventing anyone from becoming a Democrat. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #194

Joe Biden should have been the answer to Bernie and "the workingmen's" prayers then Hekate Mar 2025 #258

Bernie was almost literally shouting from the rooftops SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #265

if he's speaking in a red state...it makes sense to stillcool Mar 2025 #9

There's an IF clause. If the Democrats don't reach out then people will be running as independents usonian Mar 2025 #10

So much tone deafness. The monied class is not you if you're working everyday. Tootbsb Mar 2025 #57

The people want somebody that will fight for them bob4460 Mar 2025 #11

Who is "rolling over" ... how are they "rolling over". Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #14

Wondering same MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2025 #29

Thank you! I'm sick and tired of these baseless accusations and nonstop shitting on Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #33

Uh....Chuck Schumer? Prof. Toru Tanaka Mar 2025 #62

Really? How did he "roll over" .... what would you have had him do instead? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #84

What does "corporate lead party" mean exactly? Who has changed policies because of corporations? betsuni Mar 2025 #37

Performative buzz words. Where's my BINGO card? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #51

We sure do -- like Joe Biden did every day of his presidency. Really odd how Bernie chokes on the words ... Hekate Mar 2025 #131

Why would he want to sabotage, divide and weaken the Democratic party? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #12

Why all the contempt for an old man who is on the road fighting against Oligarchs and fascists Magoo48 Mar 2025 #185

"Contempt"?? Oh good grief! Spare me! It's absurd characterize it that way... as if it's "personal" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #193

I'm a lefty liberal, progressive. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean shit unless I act like one. Magoo48 Mar 2025 #195

Oh, I see. So am I to understand that "voting one's conscience" is more important than actually winning? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #198

yet, with all the "Smart", here we are. Magoo48 Mar 2025 #211

Yep... lots of people still defending voting third party and splitting the liberal/progressive vote-count * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #212

In our system, voting third party is a loser and a waste. Magoo48 Mar 2025 #235

It is often intriguing to observe criticisms directed towards the Democratic party from external sources rather than * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #236

We are at an impasse, but we vote the same way. Magoo48 Mar 2025 #239

There exists a distinction between merely voting for Democrats and actively supporting the party through meaningful * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #240

Propaganda by Bernie haters adam_vermont Mar 2025 #13

Take your own advice. Cha Mar 2025 #27

Well said mcar Mar 2025 #98

Bernie IS A FIGHTER! AOC is a FIGHTER IrishBubbaLiberal Mar 2025 #109

I want someone that actually accomplishes something... W_HAMILTON Mar 2025 #122

I'm finding it very odd and damaging that Bernie doesn't Nixie Mar 2025 #124

What Nixie said Hekate Mar 2025 #130

Bull shite! ReRe Mar 2025 #178

The all time low approval ratings are encouraging the idea that incremental/compromise betsuni Mar 2025 #196

Highly Recommended! Excellent post, W_Hamilton. sheshe2 Mar 2025 #127

Republicans? What are republicans? Magoo48 Mar 2025 #197

Mahalo, mcar.. Cha Mar 2025 #113

Exactly 💯 FirstLight Mar 2025 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #231

Be careful SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #15

that's Bernie nt WhiteTara Mar 2025 #16

Okay, party over country, got it! intheflow Mar 2025 #17

Exactly! Finally a reasonable reply. Thank You. nm mikewv Mar 2025 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #94

There are many Democrats who support Sander's message SnoopDog Mar 2025 #18

Yes, there are many Democrats who Love Bernie thought crime Mar 2025 #150

I concur! ReRe Mar 2025 #179

The Democratic Party: policies for the working/middles classes (policies that work, not just yelling promises). betsuni Mar 2025 #20

Exactly! mcar Mar 2025 #103

You're just fighten' mad aren't you? ReRe Mar 2025 #180

Who said this: betsuni Mar 2025 #219

I don't have the slightest idea. Who said that? ReRe Mar 2025 #223

Political science Bmoboy Mar 2025 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author justaprogressive Mar 2025 #22

FFS No one's reading the article leftstreet Mar 2025 #23

Exactly alarimer Mar 2025 #44

Big contingent of people here ibegurpard Mar 2025 #54

It's absolutely exhausting... róisín_dubh Mar 2025 #153

Bernie can go fuck himself I can say that because he's not a Democrat never has been & never will be. William769 Mar 2025 #24

He certainly does everything he can to make our Democracy stronger, and SnoopDog Mar 2025 #26

And yet he's not a Democrat. William769 Mar 2025 #31

Which of Sander's political policies do you disagree with? SnoopDog Mar 2025 #35

Does not matter. William769 Mar 2025 #38

Here is one of my disagreements with the 2024 Dem Platform: SnoopDog Mar 2025 #41

What did we have before the ACA? William769 Mar 2025 #43

According to the 2024 Dem Platform, the Democrats want to keep the ACA. SnoopDog Mar 2025 #50

They also want to lower prescription drug cost. William769 Mar 2025 #58

Thanks for the civil chat!..nt SnoopDog Mar 2025 #71

At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems Celerity Mar 2025 #133

Thanks for this. William769 Mar 2025 #134

With the fear of losing my SS & all my income, I'm on edge & stress all the time now. n/t elocs Mar 2025 #156

LBJ created Medicare, not FDR SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #61

I thought many, if not most, Americans (including unions) wanted the option of private health insurance. betsuni Mar 2025 #141

What he said: Passages Mar 2025 #83

What he said is on the record. lapucelle Mar 2025 #114

I need to see this in video, touring with AOC to get Dems to run as independent sounds incredulous uponit7771 Mar 2025 #167

He said it in an interview to the New york Times. There's a direct quote. lapucelle Mar 2025 #200

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #102

SANDERS NEVER SAID OP CLAIM !!! uponit7771 Mar 2025 #166

This has been posted throughout this thread & fallen on deaf ears. William769 Mar 2025 #168

...and I said I need video, sounds opposite of "Tours with AOC" then. says something this fucked up uponit7771 Mar 2025 #170

"told the times" ...that In and of itself is a red flag. I'll wait for video before assigning a quote like that to uponit7771 Mar 2025 #172

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, is it? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #217

Here is the quote from the PoliticalWire article.. SnoopDog Mar 2025 #25

Wait. So the headline in the article was a lie? SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #56

Short article but from the comments 98% never read it... See that a lot. Woodwizard Mar 2025 #88

Here's the link from the Political Wire article. lapucelle Mar 2025 #115

So how will Sanders tearing up the Democratic Party and supporting what he does allowed under DU rules? valleyrogue Mar 2025 #30

I commend Senator Sanders for everything he's been doing with these Fight the Oligarchs rallies, but . . . peggysue2 Mar 2025 #32

What he said: Passages Mar 2025 #79

What he also said. lapucelle Mar 2025 #117

Need video, sounds antithetical to tour uponit7771 Mar 2025 #169

He said it in an interview to the New York Times. It's a direct quote. lapucelle Mar 2025 #199

Again, don't trust NYT and need video cause this is mondo bullshit coming from him if true. uponit7771 Mar 2025 #214

If it's false, why hasn't he (or any of his spokespersons) denied or explained it? Hmmm? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #220

Cause he doesn't answer to NYT lies? I'll wait, if he's down with what he's said he'll say it again but on the face of uponit7771 Mar 2025 #221

A lot of folks are checking off the items in this list, I see. There aren't many left. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #225

Wow! Exactly. I find those kind of supporters amazingly ignorant of the person -- think quotes (things the person betsuni Mar 2025 #241

I don't see "I'll wait to hear it directly from him again" on the list uponit7771 Mar 2025 #242

That would fall under "Deflection" and/or "Misrepresentation" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #244

"explicitly quoted" only if absolute trust has been established, it hasn't and never should be.. uponit7771 Mar 2025 #245

And there we go... two more checkmarks added. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #246

Again, both hinge if blind acceptance and that's what MAGA does. I've also said I'd change my uponit7771 Mar 2025 #248

The objective was made clear in the interview. I take him at his word. Why would he lie? Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #249

I don't blindly trust the NYT with this gating information... I don't see why that's an issue. Especially seeing the .. uponit7771 Mar 2025 #250

Yes, so you've said. I've already put a check mark in that column. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #260

GREAT !!! We agree we don't eat shit on the big issues without confirming what M$M says ... Also looks like another ... uponit7771 Mar 2025 #266

MM right here on Ari Melber 03/21/25 (already posted on DU). betsuni Mar 2025 #267

No. Wrong again... The checkmark was added on YOUR behalf, as a predictable response * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #268

Message is clear. Bernie surrogate Michael Moore repeats it: betsuni Mar 2025 #253

And there we have it again! Confirmation! Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #259

Good description by Roy Delfino: betsuni Mar 2025 #263

In the context of his first statement. Passages Mar 2025 #184

"Why don't you shed the Democratic label and run as an independent, the way he does?," MichMan Mar 2025 #36

That is not what he said, that's the 'interpretation' by the article's author AZJonnie Mar 2025 #85

Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is a notorious clout-chaser who uses slanted hyped-up headlines for clicks, plus the OP Celerity Mar 2025 #108

Here's the on the record quote from the New York Times interview lapucelle Mar 2025 #119

Media and Money, his words. sheshe2 Mar 2025 #132

It appears to be a strategy. lapucelle Mar 2025 #161

It should be noted that last year SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #40

Democratic Party is the best for me Comrade Citizen Mar 2025 #45

Yeah... that's gonna help win elections. Initech Mar 2025 #48

I can't imagine why he would suggest that. Passages Mar 2025 #49

Bernie has never been one of us Littlered Mar 2025 #52

Be quiet Bernie mcar Mar 2025 #53

Did you hear what he said? The headline is incorrect: SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #100

Who did Joe Biden help with everything he did for this country? mcar Mar 2025 #105

He also said this in his on the record interview with the New York Times. lapucelle Mar 2025 #121

. SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #55

Thank You! nm mikewv Mar 2025 #65

The Times interviewed him. What he said is on the record. lapucelle Mar 2025 #101

. SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #142

We've been having this discussion since Eugene McCarthy OutNow Mar 2025 #59

I worked on the Gene McCarthy campaign all thru 1968. And Bernie, sir, is no Gene McCarthy. Hekate Mar 2025 #146

AOC appears to be "touring" with him stoned Mar 2025 #60

The Left vs. the Right... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 2025 #66

This place needs a way to unrec demonstrably false articles -eom vanessa_ca Mar 2025 #67

There should also probably be a specific thing for "smearing (not just bashing) Democratic public figures" SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #72

There should be an alert SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #77

Use the Alert system. It's not perfect, but it works well enough. Hekate Mar 2025 #148

DU used to have an unrec button. intheflow Mar 2025 #192

Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #68

He didnt say that. SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #70

Sanders--the guy who ran against Hillary in '16 before dropping out, endorsing her, and elocs Mar 2025 #69

For what its worth, the headline is false SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #73

It is a misrepresentation. Passages Mar 2025 #74

Because it riles up the bingo brigade. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2025 #78

The headline is from Political Wire SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #86

To get democrats against Bernie probably. SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #90

Clicks. Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is known for selectively framing, and is now far worse since he went paywall. Celerity Mar 2025 #112

What Sanders also said... lapucelle Mar 2025 #123

Thank you for that, I appreciate it. Passages Mar 2025 #188

+1 It's a misleading centrist hit piece. Emile Mar 2025 #190

No Democrat supporting Sanders ever would vote for trump... SnoopDog Mar 2025 #81

From 2017: Here's How Many Bernie Sanders Supporters Ultimately Voted For Trump elocs Mar 2025 #154

Note that there are many types of Democrats... SnoopDog Mar 2025 #207

Many people who voted for Sanders in the primary weren't Democrats. Mariana Mar 2025 #264

This is not true. H2O Man Mar 2025 #75

Like Biden did every day of his administration, and gets no credit for it from Bernie Hekate Mar 2025 #149

Joe and Bernie H2O Man Mar 2025 #262

Oh my God! JustAnotherGen Mar 2025 #80

What he actually said: Passages Mar 2025 #82

What he actually also said. lapucelle Mar 2025 #162

Indeed! Those independents running "outside of the Democratic Party" WOULD BE running against Democrats!! Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #206

But they are still talking about JustAnotherGen Mar 2025 #171

When you look at the demographics, Trump did better with minorities than in 2016. Passages Mar 2025 #187

What if half of the "Independents" vote republican? BunkieBandit Mar 2025 #87

Be wary of attacks on Bernie right now thought crime Mar 2025 #89

These kinds of fake headlines likely have an ulterior motive SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #95

Bernie has been dividing Dems since 2016. nt LexVegas Mar 2025 #91

He didnt say what it says he did SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #99

He's promoting third-party candidates who run AGAINST Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #208

Indeed he said what i said he didnt say he said SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #210

Here we go again Meowmee Mar 2025 #96

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately" Dem4life1970 Mar 2025 #104

A house divided against itself SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2025 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Yavin4 Mar 2025 #106

What he said: Passages Mar 2025 #110

Bernie did not say that!!! He said leave the party ImNotGod Mar 2025 #111

The Times interviewed him Here's the quote. lapucelle Mar 2025 #118

Thank you for having the patience to yorkster Mar 2025 #135

. SSJVegeta Mar 2025 #140

I keep rec'ing this. sheshe2 Mar 2025 #151

He should be trying to get progressives to take over the Democratic Party LS0999 Mar 2025 #120

I want to be a Social Democrat, as in Northern Europe. Trust_Reality Mar 2025 #261

Every time I start to like Bernie, he goes and craps all over MY party Hekate Mar 2025 #125

Can we PLEASE point the guns of our rage in the right f-ing direction? pat_k Mar 2025 #138

Based on the content in the link, that is not a remotely accurate reflection of what Sanders said fishwax Mar 2025 #147

It's terrifying how many people don't read past the clickbait headline questionseverything Mar 2025 #152

What's terrifying is the number of people who don't click on the link in the Political Wire blurb lapucelle Mar 2025 #160

I have to respectfully... Mike Nelson Mar 2025 #159

Sanders didn't say what OP claims!!! uponit7771 Mar 2025 #165

****SANDERS DIDN'T SAY THAT !!!**** Decisive thread uponit7771 Mar 2025 #164

He's promoting the notion of third-party candidates to run AGAINST Democrats. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #209

Need video, nothing on this but a NYT quote ... that's some really bad shit right there. uponit7771 Mar 2025 #213

It was probably a face-to-face or telephone interview and not on video. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #215

This post/thread... same as it ever was. demmiblue Mar 2025 #173

There is always a handful of ppl who will react if Sanders is in the story. The rally with AOC last night Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #182

Wait! LMFTFY: There are always people who will step up to defend the Democratic party, its members and its leadership * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #270

Thank you. This isn't complicated. Don't attack, lie, insult, threaten the party for no reason and there's no problem. betsuni Mar 2025 #272

Trump wants to dismantle the Federal Government... Omnipresent Mar 2025 #176

What we really need is to push out the Vichy Dems and make the part what it should be: mucholderthandirt Mar 2025 #186

Mistake Bernie kansasobama Mar 2025 #189

Can people still belong to political parties? Are they required to? Ping Tung Mar 2025 #202

Bernie isn't a Democrat RJ-MacReady Mar 2025 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Mar 2025 #204

I'm aDemocrat, . I also like Bernie. I know Bernie would NEVER vote for TSF. NEVER! bluestarone Mar 2025 #205

As usual Bernie is correct the_liberal_grandpa Mar 2025 #216

Yet he and AOC turn out 34,000 in Denver today. Get outta here with this crap. Duncan Grant Mar 2025 #222

I'm beginning to think this was a misleading centrist hit piece Emile Mar 2025 #224

Great idea, run an Independent, and a Democrat against a MAGA, what could go wrong? dem4decades Mar 2025 #226

How many people did Chuck Schumer draw at his town halls this week? Emile Mar 2025 #227

So we're going to run an Independent against him? dem4decades Mar 2025 #237

Great idea. Run a democrat against a guy that voted with the Republican majority. Emile Mar 2025 #238

Oh, for fuck's sake. Scrivener7 Mar 2025 #228

The party just needs more like Schumer. LiberalArkie Mar 2025 #230

Slicing and dicing is how we got in this mess to begin with. Vinca Mar 2025 #232

This is the NYT grasping at straws to slam Dems LSparkle Mar 2025 #233

Party Up! SalamanderSleeps Mar 2025 #234

Whenever I start to really like him, he pulls this garbage. travelingthrulife Mar 2025 #243

anyone-but-Bernie derangement syndrome mike_c Mar 2025 #247

That makes no sense Progressive dog Mar 2025 #251

Well, he's out there along with a couple others. Joinfortmill Mar 2025 #252

Crap bdamomma Mar 2025 #254

Bernie surrogate Michael Moore repeats the message: Democrats aren't the cavalry, independents are. betsuni Mar 2025 #256

Hey, Michael Moore... Oopsie Daisy Mar 2025 #273

The only thing I will say TheFarseer Mar 2025 #269

Despite what others are saying in this thread, this is Bernie's message. Emile Mar 2025 #271

I've watched 5 of the events so far that Bernie, AOC, and their guests have done. I've watched most from the Nanjeanne Mar 2025 #274