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In reply to the discussion: Sanders Tells Progressives to Abandon the Democrats [View all]LSparkle
(12,107 posts)233. This is the NYT grasping at straws to slam Dems
        Bernie isnt pushing abandoning the Democratic Party per se, just pleading with it to return more fully to its FDR roots. Hes right that we need to focus on helping the working class and not courting the boss vote. TSF has the entrepreneur (Im SICK of that word!!!!!) class locked up. We need to quit the New Democrat business-friendly Clinton era crap and run on the New Deal the way Biden tried to. There are more working people than greedy bosses  we need to appeal to them and stop kissing the billionaires asses.
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        I'm not sure the independents in the places where we currently can't win would reflect Sanders' positions
        EdmondDantes_
        Mar 2025
        #191
      
        
        That's what I think too. If  people who don't identify with Democrats running Independents will help
        Autumn
        Mar 2025
        #42
      
        
        So why did Kamala not win? All the baggage from being mixed-race? Or was it misogyny?
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #128
      
        
        We're close enough in age, you & I, to have seen a lot of things change, & to be optimistic about the future...
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #181
      
        
        Bernie proudly wears the socialist label, tho he sometimes hems & haws over the definition...
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #144
      
        
        What a steaming pile! Nobody is preventing anyone from becoming a Democrat.
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #194
      
        
        Joe Biden should have been the answer to Bernie and "the workingmen's" prayers then
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #258
      
        
        There's an IF clause. If the Democrats don't reach out then people will be running as independents
        usonian
        Mar 2025
        #10
      
        
        Thank you! I'm sick and tired of these baseless accusations and nonstop shitting on Democrats.
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #33
      
        
        Really? How did he "roll over" .... what would you have had him do instead?
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #84
      
        
        What does "corporate lead party" mean exactly? Who has changed policies because of corporations?
        betsuni
        Mar 2025
        #37
      
        
        We sure do -- like Joe Biden did every day of his presidency. Really odd how Bernie chokes on the words ...
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #131
      
        
        Why all the contempt for an old man who is on the road fighting against Oligarchs and fascists
        Magoo48
        Mar 2025
        #185
      
        
        "Contempt"?? Oh good grief! Spare me! It's absurd characterize it that way... as if it's "personal" *
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #193
      
        
        I'm a lefty liberal, progressive. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean shit unless I act like one.
        Magoo48
        Mar 2025
        #195
      
        
        Oh, I see. So am I to understand that "voting one's conscience" is more important than actually winning?
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #198
      
        
        Yep... lots of people still defending voting third party and splitting the liberal/progressive vote-count *
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #212
      
        
        It is often intriguing to observe criticisms directed towards the Democratic party from external sources rather than *
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #236
      
        
        There exists a distinction between merely voting for Democrats and actively supporting the party through meaningful *
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #240
      
        
        The all time low approval ratings are encouraging the idea that incremental/compromise
        betsuni
        Mar 2025
        #196
      
        
        The Democratic Party: policies for the working/middles classes (policies that work, not just yelling promises).
        betsuni
        Mar 2025
        #20
      
        
        Bernie can go fuck himself I can say that because he's not a Democrat never has been & never will be.
        William769
        Mar 2025
        #24
      
        
        At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems
        Celerity
        Mar 2025
        #133
      
        
        With the fear of losing my SS & all my income, I'm on edge & stress all the time now. n/t
        elocs
        Mar 2025
        #156
      
        
        I thought many, if not most, Americans (including unions) wanted the option of private health insurance.
        betsuni
        Mar 2025
        #141
      
        
        I need to see this in video, touring with AOC to get Dems to run as independent sounds incredulous
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #167
      
        
        ...and I said I need video, sounds opposite of "Tours with AOC" then. says something this fucked up
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #170
      
        
        "told the times" ...that In and of itself is a red flag. I'll wait for video before assigning a quote like that to
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #172
      
        
        So how will Sanders tearing up the Democratic Party and supporting what he does allowed under DU rules?
        valleyrogue
        Mar 2025
        #30
      
        
        I commend Senator Sanders for everything he's been doing with these Fight the Oligarchs rallies, but . . .
        peggysue2
        Mar 2025
        #32
      
        
        Again, don't trust NYT and need video cause this is mondo bullshit coming from him if true.
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #214
      
        
        If it's false, why hasn't he (or any of his spokespersons) denied or explained it? Hmmm?
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #220
      
        
        Cause he doesn't answer to NYT lies? I'll wait, if he's down with what he's said he'll say it again but on the face of
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #221
      
        
        A lot of folks are checking off the items in this list, I see. There aren't many left.
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #225
      
        
        Wow! Exactly. I find those kind of supporters amazingly ignorant of the person -- think quotes (things the person
        betsuni
        Mar 2025
        #241
      
        
        "explicitly quoted" only if absolute trust has been established, it hasn't and never should be..
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #245
      
        
        Again, both hinge if blind acceptance and that's what MAGA does. I've also said I'd change my
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #248
      
        
        The objective was made clear in the interview. I take him at his word. Why would he lie?
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #249
      
        
        I don't blindly trust the NYT with this  gating information... I don't see why that's an issue. Especially seeing the ..
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #250
      
        
        GREAT !!! We agree we don't eat shit on the big issues without confirming what M$M says ... Also looks like another ...
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #266
      
        
        No. Wrong again... The checkmark was added on YOUR behalf, as a predictable response *
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #268
      
        
        "Why don't you shed the Democratic label and run as an independent, the way he does?,"
        MichMan
        Mar 2025
        #36
      
        
        Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is a notorious clout-chaser who uses slanted hyped-up headlines for clicks, plus the OP
        Celerity
        Mar 2025
        #108
      
        
        I worked on the Gene McCarthy campaign all thru 1968. And Bernie, sir, is no Gene McCarthy.
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #146
      
        
        There should also probably be a specific thing for "smearing (not just bashing) Democratic public figures"
        SSJVegeta
        Mar 2025
        #72
      
        
        Sanders--the guy who ran against Hillary in '16 before dropping out, endorsing her, and
        elocs
        Mar 2025
        #69
      
        
        Clicks. Taegan Goddard (Political Wire) is known for selectively framing, and is now far worse since he went paywall.
        Celerity
        Mar 2025
        #112
      
        
        Like Biden did every day of his administration, and gets no credit for it from Bernie
        Hekate
        Mar 2025
        #149
      
        
        Indeed! Those independents running "outside of the Democratic Party" WOULD BE running against Democrats!!
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #206
      
        
        When you look at the demographics, Trump did better with minorities than in 2016.
        Passages
        Mar 2025
        #187
      
        
        Based on the content in the link, that is not a remotely accurate reflection of what Sanders said
        fishwax
        Mar 2025
        #147
      
        
        It's terrifying how many people don't read past the clickbait headline
        questionseverything
        Mar 2025
        #152
      
        
        What's terrifying is the number of people who don't click on the link in the Political Wire blurb
        lapucelle
        Mar 2025
        #160
      
        
        He's promoting the notion of third-party candidates to run AGAINST Democrats.
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #209
      
        
        Need video, nothing on this but a NYT quote ... that's some really bad shit right there.
        uponit7771
        Mar 2025
        #213
      
        
        There is always a handful of ppl who will react if Sanders is in the story. The rally with AOC last night
        Nanjeanne
        Mar 2025
        #182
      
        
        Wait! LMFTFY: There are always people who will step up to defend the Democratic party, its members and its leadership *
        Oopsie Daisy
        Mar 2025
        #270
      
        
        Thank you. This isn't complicated. Don't attack, lie, insult, threaten the party for no reason and there's no problem.
        betsuni
        Mar 2025
        #272
      
        
        What we really need is to push out the Vichy Dems and make the part what it should be:
        mucholderthandirt
        Mar 2025
        #186
      
        
        I'm aDemocrat, . I also like Bernie. I know Bernie would NEVER vote for TSF. NEVER!
        bluestarone
        Mar 2025
        #205
      
        
        Yet he and AOC turn out 34,000 in Denver today. Get outta here with this crap.
        Duncan Grant
        Mar 2025
        #222
      
        
        Great idea, run an Independent, and a Democrat against a MAGA, what could go wrong?
        dem4decades
        Mar 2025
        #226
      
        
        Great idea. Run a democrat against a guy that voted with the Republican majority.
        Emile
        Mar 2025
        #238