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karynnj

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53. However, there was no guarantee that stepping down earlier would have led to a better outcome
Fri May 16, 2025, 03:39 PM
May 2025

An interesting point was made in one oped (I think by Ezra Klein) that what made that stepping down less likely was the atypical relative success of the midterms. This meant that unlike the midterms in Clinton's or Obama's first terms, there was not the same call to reconsider what to do.

Now, I think Biden was as focused on bipartisanship as he could have been in the first two years - and the 50/50 Senate made it impossible for him to have been otherwise. What it might have done is to have created a situation where Biden felt that the better than expected results validated how he was seen as a leader.

In hindsight, imagine Biden would have used those results to claim that in addition to the improving economy, it showed they were going in the right direction, but a lot more needed to be done. Like, LBJ, he could have argued he would focus 100 percent of his attention to running the country and not seek election.

This might not have been the winner some looking back now consider it to be. Whether he gave his endorsement to Harris or not, I can only imagine the divisiveness if a male won the nomination. Where people claim primaries especially with big challenges make candidates stronger, consider the "PUMA" 'Clinton supporters who did not vote for Obama, the Bernie supporters who did not back Clinton and the fact that Gore first used the Willie Horton stuff against Dukakis. Harris was quickly the nominee.

Also consider what would have happened if Biden actually resigned maybe a half year after the primary. I actually think this would have hurt. The contrast between the successes of the first two years vs the far less successful second half of Biden's term would likely have also happened if Harris was then President dealing with the Republican House. Throw in the October 2023 Hamas attack and you would have a new President Harris struggling with so many things she did not cause or control.


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Democratic politicians need to markodochartaigh May 2025 #1
They're not going to do it. They're going to be asked and they're going to toss Biden under the bus. Self Esteem May 2025 #2
They can't. It was a mistake. And that debate was damaging because pinkstarburst May 2025 #57
Beto O'Rourke LookoutMtnWriter May 2025 #3
Sometimes Beto overstates an opinion. Still vote for him again, whatever office he wants. I'd ... marble falls May 2025 #4
Joe Biden didn't fail. He had a successful presidency that got many things done. brush May 2025 #5
My guess is Beto is saying he failed at stopping Trump... Self Esteem May 2025 #6
TSF won, but we never should've lost to a mofo who tried to overthrow his own government... brush May 2025 #7
No disagreement... Self Esteem May 2025 #8
I think so. We had/have such a deep bench of great candidates... brush May 2025 #12
And those candidates should have been given the chance to run in the '24 primaries. elocs May 2025 #26
Agreed. A proper primary and long campaign, IMO we would've won. brush May 2025 #51
"Who only ran to stay out of jail"---well, it worked, didn't it? n/t elocs May 2025 #25
We all know that. Tell us something we don't know. brush May 2025 #49
Too many stayed home. They did that when Hillary ran, Meadowoak May 2025 #31
You have that absolutely correct! hamsterjill May 2025 #48
That's a sad analysis. Doesn't bode well for women candidate. brush May 2025 #50
If that's the context, Biden has said the same thing. EdmondDantes_ May 2025 #43
However, there was no guarantee that stepping down earlier would have led to a better outcome karynnj May 2025 #53
His presidency was successful in terms of legislative accomplishments fujiyamasan May 2025 #23
Gleeful Prairie Gates May 2025 #9
Just to be clear Beto loses a lot Johonny May 2025 #10
He has a great deal to say about local iemanja May 2025 #39
They're calling it Sleepygate BeyondGeography May 2025 #11
Biden is not running. Let's move on. mzmolly May 2025 #13
People who dump on Joe are looking backward. GUARANTEED LOSE, LOSE, LOSE. usonian May 2025 #14
Apparently there are a lot of people who don't care what you think, or me either for that matter. elocs May 2025 #28
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I believe you are correct in that the pain ahead feels inevitable. Maru Kitteh May 2025 #15
When Beto actually wins a statewide election, I'll worry what he thinks JT45242 May 2025 #16
Who has? iemanja May 2025 #40
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Deep. n/t elocs May 2025 #29
And people will be pissed if this happens. hamsterjill May 2025 #18
You are not alone. All this Biden bashing makes me sick. 3catwoman3 May 2025 #44
I don't think so iemanja May 2025 #19
Biden should tell America to "KISS MY ASS!!!" Montauk6 May 2025 #20
If he tries real hard, Beto could be Brainworm Bobby 2.0 Hassler May 2025 #21
BTW, Beto gave a very good interview on the Bullwark iemanja May 2025 #22
Biden's average approval rating was 42.2%--the 2nd worse of post WWII presidents, elocs May 2025 #24
It serves no purpose to drag Joe's entrails down main street. Is there a lesson there? Yes... BurnDoubt May 2025 #30
You all complained about polls in the 2024 iemanja May 2025 #38
WTF Skittles May 2025 #33
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I said ESPECIALLY Skittles May 2025 #42
If you sat out an election, sit down and shut up and quit trolling for the Shitheads. IT'S NOT HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BurnDoubt May 2025 #27
WHY is he even a topic of discussion? Skittles May 2025 #32
Not interested in candidates who take the bait. delisen May 2025 #34
they should throw it back in their faces Skittles May 2025 #36
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Biden isn't the problem. He was/is a good man that the people kept electing Bluetus May 2025 #52
Thank you for your post, especially the part about Kamala! You are exactly right about what happened to her! CTyankee May 2025 #54
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