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18. Probably not a popular view, but I don't think the 25th was intended for this situation

Wed Oct 1, 2025, 03:47 PM

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Trump's disrespect for established Constitutional norms including the separation of powers, is a very real and serious concern -- one that is most appropriately dealt with either at the ballot box or in an impeachment proceeding (which actually is less of a hurdle to overcome than removing a president via the 25th Amendment.)

IMO, the 25th is intended to address the situation described in the amendment -- a president who is "unable" to discharge the powers and duties of the office. Not a president who discharges those duties badly or even unlawfully. But a president who literally is not able to act -- not able to sign or veto legislation or make appointments vested to his authority by the Constitution etc.

As terrible and even unlawful as some of Trump's actions, and as unhinged as his oratory, his decisions have the support of his cabinet, of a majority of the Congress, and in many instances, the courts. Again, the 25th amendment was not intended as a means of sitting in judgment of a president's decision making, it was intended to address a situation where the president literally cannot make decisions, because for example, he or she is unconscious, in a coma, or otherwise incapacitated.

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Gov. Pritzker calls for invoking the 25th Amendment: [View all] Kingofalldems Oct 1 OP

Let's make this a national conversation! Torchlight Oct 1 #1

I've been signing petitions for this for months, soldierant Oct 1 #36

And now Rep. Maxine Waters: Kingofalldems Oct 1 #2

He's got my vote in Primary BunkieBandit Oct 1 #35

The trouble is he's surrounded himself with a fan club Cabinet. They'll be propping him up until he rots before Vinca Oct 1 #3

Agreed ProfessorGAC Oct 1 #4

Many of his cabinet members canetoad Oct 1 #33

Actually they are all criminals stealing our money while in those jobs and in fact Eliot Rosewater Oct 2 #52

Which reminds me. Did the FBI get the $50,000 back from Holman? Vinca Oct 2 #54

They probably took it and gave it to Patel Eliot Rosewater Oct 2 #55

They are trying to get him past the halfway point of his term InstantGratification Oct 1 #5

exactly obamanut2012 Oct 1 #14

Or at least time enough popsdenver Oct 1 #24

Just what I have been telling friends for a couple of months rurallib Oct 1 #29

Maybe Theil, but I don't think anybody else likes Vance any more than Trump Bluetus Oct 1 #31

Vance may stand in for taco...he will never be elected. MAGA doesn't like him, or his Indian wife. PortTack Oct 1 #37

My thoughts exactly! Stonealone Oct 2 #44

You think they plan on there being an actual vote? quakerboy Oct 2 #45

I didn't say Vance could win on his own merits InstantGratification Oct 2 #49

All the more reason for a major state leader out of the felon's circle to say it to the general public. ancianita Oct 1 #10

Nonetheless, after this shitshow with the Generals, we have an opportunity Bluetus Oct 1 #32

Likely most, if not all of them, have very lucritive side scams that rely on their positions. Attilatheblond Oct 2 #47

"End this disastrous presidency" BaronChocula Oct 1 #6

Rep. Eric Swalwell: Kingofalldems Oct 1 #7

Bravo, Gov Pritzker! It's out there now. Cha Oct 1 #8

IL Gov JB Pritzker is what leadership is about. ancianita Oct 1 #9

Indeed..proud to have such a great governor! PortTack Oct 1 #38

I lived there before his time. I miss Chicago. ancianita Oct 1 #41

But then we get VAnce.... Amaryllis Oct 1 #11

one monster at a time... nt orleans Oct 1 #25

Yeah. But he won't shake things up too much unless Peter Thiel gives him a script and marching orders. ancianita Oct 1 #43

Stevie Miller is keeping trump going so he can actually run the gov't. erronis Oct 1 #12

Yet another person who doesn't know how that amendment works. MineralMan Oct 1 #13

All the more reason to put leadership pressure on the VP. It's now out there and not going away. ancianita Oct 1 #16

Great headline, but sadly this will never come to pass. His cabinet are too loyal (or too stupid) to care. QueerDuck Oct 1 #15

It won't happen, but when he goes completely bananas tavernier Oct 1 #17

Probably not a popular view, but I don't think the 25th was intended for this situation onenote Oct 1 #18

His mental fitness is very much in question -- waiting for full incapacitation may be too late. eppur_se_muova Oct 1 #22

It's great hyperbole, though leftstreet Oct 1 #30

I agree. We have to get him out. lees1975 Oct 1 #19

A lot of us have been saying this since 2016 mdbl Oct 1 #20

If there was ever an administration screaming for the 25th Amendment, it's this one. Uncle Joe Oct 1 #21

Kick. N/T Upthevibe Oct 1 #23

Gov Pritzker is my top choice for 2028 if he wants to be pres SheltieLover Oct 1 #26

Post removed Post removed Oct 2 #60

The people of Illinois love him. He is my top choice for 2028 SheltieLover Oct 2 #61

He's the governor of a Dem state where his constituency fucking loves him. That is the Dem we need running nationwide. SoFlaBro Oct 2 #62

DURec leftstreet Oct 1 #27

that'll definitely work!!!! WarGamer Oct 1 #28

As the New Yorker who now lives in Chicago... nycbos Oct 1 #34

This is brilliant strategy from Pritzker Deminpenn Oct 1 #39

NEVER was there a better case for it, or even remotely close !!!! Jack Valentino Oct 1 #40

Pritzker rocks Lulu KC Oct 1 #42

Okay. We invoke the 25th to get rid joshdawg Oct 2 #46

The cheese has slipped off the cracker. Sneederbunk Oct 2 #48

best governor in the country by far RogueRocket Oct 2 #50

doesn't vance become president then? samsingh Oct 2 #51

Funny thing is every Democrat should be calling for that SSJVegeta Oct 2 #53

Who is going to invoke it? LS0999 Oct 2 #56

I really wish people would actually read section five of the 25th Amendment. rsdsharp Oct 2 #57

ding. this, AllaN01Bear Oct 2 #58

25th Amendment requires more votes than impeachment/removal krawhitham Oct 2 #59

Doesn't mean it is not called for. Kingofalldems Oct 2 #63