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EdmondDantes_

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15. Perhaps you noticed that the post I was replying to literally called them stupid
Sun Nov 23, 2025, 07:42 PM
Nov 23

Do poor kids who get sucked into joining gangs think that the gang has their best interest at heart or is it that the gang at least short terms offers protection/money/power? At least Trump gave lip service which we haven't been as good at based on how these people vote. Obama talked about there's no red or blue America, but many of our policies have been targeted towards the wealthy. Student loan forgiveness (which I benefited from) for example mostly benefits those of us higher on the economic ladder. It's a hard sell to a car mechanic that their tax dollars should go to student loan repayment to someone making more money and not getting dirt under their fingernails.

You can say that they should vote for us because Trump's a fraud (which is true), but the fact is we lost the working class particularly among whites and have been losing it for a long time. Shrugging our shoulders isn't going to change their voting patterns. Harris did support limiting the requirement of degrees for federal jobs and talking about apprentice programs, but we've spent years saying get a college degree or learn to code while the good union jobs got outsourced, but we have to make it more of a focus. If we don't find a way to reach them, if they don't hear our message, then we're going to continue to struggle. We have a hard road to a Senate majority because we aren't competitive in many states. That also hurts us in the presidential race and in the House. But we need to do more of that down ticket to help build our brand as a party.

Notice how Trump isn't popular on the economy now after winning on it in 2024 while Biden and then Harris were trying to sell the economy was doing good because of the stock market while people were struggling to afford things due to inflation? With a 2 party system, if people are unhappy with one party, they really only have one other option. So yes, people voted for Trump to fix the economy because they weren't feeling us doing enough on it in their opinion.

And while you didn't use the word stupid, there's definitely an implication there that they voted "wrong" because obviously Trump isn't going to care about them, so clearly they got fooled. Notice you didn't actually talk about Harris's policies, just about how bad Trump is. You aren't going to sell people on us without saying how we're trying to help them.

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But they still get 2 senators, the same as California BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 23 #1
Welp, we can thank George Washington for that n/t Polybius Nov 23 #17
It was part of the Connecticut compromise fujiyamasan Tuesday #48
As a group Democrats and owners of companies should start looking to move people and jobs there into these red states oldmanlynn Tuesday #54
The Daily Mail ... that tracks. What's "devastating"?? RandomNumbers Nov 23 #2
Not when human society has adapted to certain levels of population density. EdmondDantes_ Nov 23 #6
The able move away. It's always the vulnerable left behind to suffer the worst Maru Kitteh Tuesday #44
Central, ME...relatively rural and getting rural-er. OAITW r.2.0 Tuesday #57
The msm has a bullshit narrative jfz9580m Tuesday #35
Hillary tried to tell them. Nt BootinUp Nov 23 #3
and Kamala..... Jack Valentino Tuesday #32
That's a difficult part of the country Melon Nov 23 #4
It's a really stupid part of the country Mysterian Nov 23 #5
Perhaps because there's the notion that we consider them stupid EdmondDantes_ Nov 23 #7
Lip service meaning they hate the same people. Nt BootinUp Nov 23 #8
Yeah, I'm sure they had their feelings hurt by mean liberals Mysterian Nov 23 #10
I have friends there. It can be beautiful country. Melon Nov 23 #11
I grew up there and recently lived there for 20 years Mysterian Nov 23 #14
I'm not hurting anyone's feeling. People switch parties when it's to their benefit. Not when they are insulted. Melon Nov 23 #18
You believe all voters think and vote rationally? Mysterian Monday #19
The point of oligarch politics is PRECISELY to get people to vote against their own best interest. usonian Tuesday #56
Running in Huntington underpants Monday #26
Westmoreland has a lot of sidewalks exboyfil Tuesday #27
My mom's family grew up in Westmoreland Tanuki Tuesday #42
My dad Vinson class of 1960 exboyfil Tuesday #47
Check your inbox! 🙂 Tanuki Tuesday #49
"Learn to Code" is what everyone else has been told JI7 Tuesday #34
It was a tone deaf remark directed specifically at the miners in the region. Melon Wednesday #60
The same message has been directed at everyone else for years JI7 Wednesday #62
"Learn to Code" is a bait-and-switch anyway. RandomNumbers Wednesday #63
Nothing in the Democratic Party Platform implies that they're stupid. Mariana Nov 23 #12
There is something about rural poverty that makes people bigots. ananda Nov 23 #13
Perhaps you noticed that the post I was replying to literally called them stupid EdmondDantes_ Nov 23 #15
The basic problem blubunyip Monday #25
I don't think they vote Republican becsuse they are stupid. They do it because they are bigots. And the gang members JI7 Tuesday #29
Inner city gangs vote republican?? Melon Tuesday #31
We aren't losing the working class. .The ones that vote supported Trump JI7 Tuesday #33
And being poor and working class doesn't make them stupid. Melon Tuesday #36
Did you know that WV used to be a Democratic stronghold Tanuki Tuesday #43
Yes I knew that and it doesn't change what I said JI7 Tuesday #45
I think there's a world of contrast between verbal criticisms on message board Torchlight Tuesday #46
I remember a documentary about how they didn't take advantage of job retraining Betty Boom Tuesday #37
If only they had voted... Happy Hoosier Tuesday #28
I wouldn't be surprised if that happens to a few more Red States. Behind the Aegis Nov 23 #9
Lexington, Nebraska comes to mind . . . Tyson is closing its beef processing there, so 3,200 jobs going away . . . . hatrack Tuesday #51
19K? That is a county?!?! Mordred Nov 23 #16
This thead is a fine example Boo1 Monday #20
People are actually responsible for their votes. Whatever your theory is. nt BootinUp Monday #23
Give me a break róisín_dubh Tuesday #30
It's such a beautiful state Betty Boom Tuesday #38
The population of Morgantown Boo1 Tuesday #39
Well no, it's not. róisín_dubh Wednesday #59
Please Boo1 Wednesday #61
These people are preyed on by hucksters who tell them coal is coming back. Oneironaut Monday #21
The only answer is to consolidate the Virginia's Renew Deal Monday #22
If WV and VA were one state Boo1 Monday #24
West Virginia as a state is destined to become even POORER than it is now. ProudMNDemocrat Tuesday #40
Progressives need to move into these areas dwayneb Tuesday #41
Nobody wants to live on a smoldering slag heap? Aristus Tuesday #50
Promises made. Promises kept... Didn't Trump get all the coal jobs back like he promised? Norrrm Tuesday #52
Democrats should have a long-term plan to start occupying and moving to some of those states oldmanlynn Tuesday #53
Clean Coal isn't coming to the rescue? czarjak Tuesday #55
My home county in MI has half the population it did 100 years ago Kaleva Wednesday #58
Women of reproductive age are not going to want to live, work or start a family in places Quiet Em Wednesday #64
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