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20. Pure speculation.

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Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:09 PM

Apr 2013

I don't think anyone will compare Obama to Maggie Thatcher.

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Obama LIED! He PROMISED to close down GITMO! [View all] jazzimov Apr 2013 OP

Obama claimed the power to indefinitely detain without charge, via *gasp* morningfog Apr 2013 #1

Proof? jazzimov Apr 2013 #3

Here: morningfog Apr 2013 #23

Are you kidding ...? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #31

You asked, I provided. morningfog Apr 2013 #33

Release someone that you know/strongly suspect will do you harm ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #39

SO you support preemptive detention? morningfog Apr 2013 #41

I guess what you call "pre-emptive detention" ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #46

Got it. We can pick up 14 year olds and hold morningfog May 2013 #83

So what doe does this line mean in your C&P? Sheepshank May 2013 #93

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #114

Should that same pre-emptive detention go for anyone? morningfog May 2013 #115

Amen to that brother! The simplistic view of the Cha Apr 2013 #47

what you said! BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #80

exactly right BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #82

easy ----to rant about when you're sitting at your keyboard BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #50

Well said! sheshe2 May 2013 #71

I second that! freshwest May 2013 #76

AGREED! Get out from your keyboard jazzimov May 2013 #75

You have no idea what difference I make in my community. morningfog May 2013 #116

+11111 LeftInTX May 2013 #106

The FACTS regarding GITMO, Obama, and Congress (for those that do not know them) Tx4obama Apr 2013 #2

"but, but, he PROMISED!" jazzimov Apr 2013 #4

Thank you. Iliyah Apr 2013 #17

Absolutely, I am so tired of the circular firing squad that comes up on a varity of issues, when still_one Apr 2013 #32

Yes this has been trolled to death by the left flamingdem Apr 2013 #5

Absolutely. I'm reminded of Jimmy Carter jazzimov Apr 2013 #10

I saw Dennis (Dept. of Peace) Kucinich make some people back off on this for that reason. freshwest Apr 2013 #15

Thank you for your honesty. jazzimov May 2013 #52

It amazes me ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #55

It gives one pause, and can terrifying, when one knows that one misstep can cost lives. The world freshwest May 2013 #62

this needs to be reiterated: jazzimov May 2013 #64

Thanks for the replies and the thread. We can do this if we want it. freshwest May 2013 #73

that's interesting---I didn't know Kucinich said this. BlancheSplanchnik May 2013 #112

Oh, it wasn't on the 'liberal' media. It was in person in an open meeting at my Dem precinct. freshwest May 2013 #113

You live in Ohio? Kolesar May 2013 #126

No, I live in the state that wanted him to move and run here. But he didn't. freshwest May 2013 #127

Not the Left ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #34

You're correct. freshwest May 2013 #74

WTF- HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN????? Skittles Apr 2013 #6

Obama issued the XO almost immediately.... jazzimov Apr 2013 #7

while he's at it, can he hold bush/cheney accountable for war crimes? Skittles Apr 2013 #8

that's not up to him - that's up to US. jazzimov Apr 2013 #11

LOL Skittles Apr 2013 #12

THAT's your response? jazzimov Apr 2013 #18

I'm sure SKittles give a rats ass about your opinion, mr. newbie. RetroLounge Apr 2013 #24

THANKS RETROLOUNGE Skittles May 2013 #54

... RetroLounge May 2013 #56

And so THAT's your response, jazzimov May 2013 #63

Hi jazzimov! sheshe2 May 2013 #69

"I think some young blood is exactly what we need here" Number23 May 2013 #77

Stale Hermit crabs or Hermit's with stale toenails? sheshe2 May 2013 #78

Excellent Response, She. The "low post" count crap has nothing to do Cha May 2013 #91

As long as they support the fan club! morningfog May 2013 #117

Bitter people call supporting reality a "Fan Club". Cha May 2013 #118

You could be wrong. RetroLounge May 2013 #120

What the... Number23 May 2013 #53

Typical...moving goal posts. You want to start a new thread on this new topic? Sheepshank May 2013 #94

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles May 2013 #105

you need a few more exclamation marks. Your outrage.... Sheepshank May 2013 #107

LOL Skittles May 2013 #109

That's right, jazzimov.. PBO is NOT MOPPING UP bushit FAST ENOUGH FOR THESE Cha May 2013 #87

"He (gasp!) actually restored and respected the checks and balances that the Constitution intended." OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #9

That's simple - jazzimov Apr 2013 #16

I love how we are told to vote sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #28

Only Democratic presidents have no power tularetom Apr 2013 #44

Exactly. And yet, we will be sold he same old promises in the next election only to be told sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #49

Oh, wonderful! Do a purity test just like the Tea Party jazzimov May 2013 #67

+1 Jamaal510 May 2013 #130

That has nothing to do with what I asked you. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #37

Won't matter when the prisoners start dying. He'll be forever tarnished riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #13

Pure speculation. jazzimov Apr 2013 #20

Uh, force feeding is against virtually ALL medical and human rights orgs riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #30

The impeding deaths will be Obama's. They will have occurred under his watch. morningfog Apr 2013 #35

Here is the ProSense Apr 2013 #14

Awesome! jazzimov Apr 2013 #22

"We?" RetroLounge Apr 2013 #25

Yes, once gitmo is closed and the President no longer claims the right morningfog Apr 2013 #26

Nah, there's long history on this board of those who are invested in Cha Apr 2013 #36

There are also legitimate policies for which to complain. morningfog Apr 2013 #38

This isnt' one of them.. but, they can't help themselves. Cha Apr 2013 #40

This most certainly is one. morningfog Apr 2013 #43

No, it's not.. he wanted it done and the Senate voted against with only 6 Dems on board. Cha Apr 2013 #45

Like I said, this has very little to do morningfog May 2013 #84

It's your black mark.. nothing more. Cha May 2013 #88

How very calloused of you. morningfog May 2013 #90

Keep shoveling. Cha May 2013 #92

What prevented the Executive from transferring, releasing, or starting proceedings prior TheKentuckian May 2013 #85

Says you. Which means absolutely NOTHING. Cha May 2013 #89

What do you claim restricted the Executive as I described? TheKentuckian May 2013 #98

I think you are being a bit unfair. GitRDun May 2013 #95

I don't think so.. Cha May 2013 #96

If you have a point make it. GitRDun May 2013 #97

I'm not the one "ignoring reality". Cha May 2013 #100

As I said fee l free to make an argument GitRDun May 2013 #102

Yes, as soon as it's closed. Let us know when that happens. That gulag is a stain on this country sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #51

No, PBO didn't lie like some like to whine about.. Here's a Tweet from Sen Leahy about PBO & gitmo Cha Apr 2013 #19

The CinC can find a way to work up his own personal death by drone list, MadHound Apr 2013 #21

Oh, PLEASE let's talk about drones jazzimov Apr 2013 #42

Indeed. Democrats wage kinder gentler wars. It's like, Luminous Animal May 2013 #57

OK, but first of all, can you explain the disparity that I mentioned? MadHound May 2013 #79

This *just* happened to me. It was unnerving. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2013 #27

That is accurate RobertEarl Apr 2013 #29

Thank you. GITMO needs to be closed. jazzimov Apr 2013 #48

And then what? Transfered to our own torture supermax prisons? Luminous Animal May 2013 #58

He did promise to close Guantanamo. He didnt promise to close it "if Congress lets me". rhett o rick May 2013 #59

Yes, there are distinctions that need to be made, one can promise something... slipslidingaway May 2013 #60

I like the way you think. OnyxCollie May 2013 #68

Never read the book, but the passage you quoted is relevant ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #119

I would love to respond jazzimov May 2013 #72

So you say the president of the USofA is powerless to deal with Guantanamo? rhett o rick May 2013 #86

What is the most realistic solution. The step by step closing down and release of the prisoners? SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #61

Bring them to trial or let them go. grahamhgreen May 2013 #66

LOL. You mean he's finally responding to the heat from progressives! And I, for one, support him on grahamhgreen May 2013 #65

He's responding to having to force feed morningfog May 2013 #111

That, too. grahamhgreen May 2013 #121

Nothing stops him from releasing the innocent prisoners right away. limpyhobbler May 2013 #70

"I" "Feel" "Betrayed" alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #81

Look, we get it. Union Scribe May 2013 #99

I'm absolutely disgusted with the partisan shifting of blame about Guantanamo.... mike_c May 2013 #101

The president gets the blame for making a promise he knew he couldn't keep... Orsino May 2013 #104

and now Obama fails as an accurate seer and revelator? Sheepshank May 2013 #108

No. As a Constitutional scholar, he knew in advance that Congress controls the purse strings. Orsino May 2013 #122

you are still barking up the wrong tree Sheepshank May 2013 #123

You make the president sound more foolish than I do. n/t Orsino May 2013 #124

you don't think requiring fortunetelling, crystal ball and Sheepshank May 2013 #125

Making promises beyond his power is stupid. n/t Orsino May 2013 #129

Tell me what politician doesn't tell everyone what they would like to see implemented? Sheepshank May 2013 #131

If he'd only phrased it that way, I wouldn't have much of a beef. Orsino May 2013 #132

Congress votes funds and declares wars, the CIC is the exec in charge of the military HereSince1628 May 2013 #103

Maybe not lied. Certainly, he has failed. morningfog May 2013 #110

We may be looking at an executive that is more about process than it should be, but not by too much, patrice May 2013 #128

Pfft. He said he'd close it in 2135. Then he's achieved unity and 100% support. JanMichael May 2013 #133