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141. Where i agree with you that Congress is at the heart of the problem...

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 01:21 AM

Jun 2013

Marching on Washington would have accomplished little more than two paragraph blurb in the back pages of the Post and little else. Marches and demonstrations happen in Washington constantly, so, IMO, it dilutes their effectiveness (unless, of course you are talking about a tea party or Glen Beck event, then you got your faux news sponsorship 24-7).

What occupy did was to take their message everywhere, to public places everywhere from LA, NY and London to Dallas, SLC and Casper Wyo. THAT'S Why it got the attention it did, because it was a worldwide movement, and no matter how poor you were you could participate because it was in your back yard rather than having to try to scrape together enough funds to travel to DC for some ineffective one day event.

Although I believe it was unplanned, the fact that occupy was leaderless was pure genius. It prevented the moment from being cut off at the knees early...the PTB had no single or set of leaders to go after...the moment was totally organic. the fact that occupy didn't hitch their Wagon to any political party was part of the genius, because it gave little ammunition to RW decenters who wanted to pin it as an Obama construct.

The movement wained due to the obvious brutality they encountered from local, state and federal authorities who, I suspect, we're acting on orders from the corporate elite...which is where the OP comes in.

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FBI Knew of Plot to Execute Occupy Activists but Did Nothing [View all] Octafish Jun 2013 OP

The FBI should be arrested for leaking Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #1

FBI found an all-day sucker in the CPUSA... Octafish Jun 2013 #10

the CPUSA has always been a joke iamthebandfanman Jun 2013 #139

NATO had the same level of penetration of commie terrorists group that killed Aldo Moro yurbud Jun 2013 #169

They're traitors I tell ya. L0oniX Jun 2013 #28

If they leak, maybe the authoritarians on this site would finally start questioning them! villager Jun 2013 #126

Would not surprise me in the least. Baitball Blogger Jun 2013 #2

CIA embedded in NY police Dept. Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #7

so the claim is that the FBI uncovered a plot involving the CIA/NYPD to shoot geek tragedy Jun 2013 #8

NO It means that Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #11

DU talked about it recently, a bit... Octafish Jun 2013 #17

I'm that old. mbperrin Jun 2013 #91

Imagine what J Edgar Hoover could do with PRISM? Octafish Jun 2013 #97

I'm honored to know you as well. mbperrin Jun 2013 #104

I wasn't around then but, Lunacee_2013 Jun 2013 #103

Who says they did nothing? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #3

Who says it's over? atreides1 Jun 2013 #5

Well, Occupy is pretty much over, so probably not a lot of sniper opportunities nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6

"Well, Occupy is pretty much over, so probably not a lot of sniper opportunities". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #56

The whole data-mining spying nineteen50 Jun 2013 #122

Oh yeah. That's the reason. Or..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #129

and so the Occupy has had nineteen50 Jun 2013 #153

Hmmm... have you ever been to an Occupy event? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #154

Well, then how do you explain all of those executed activists jberryhill Jun 2013 #66

You are so authoritarian. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #68

You got that right. Authoritarians hate Occupy, protesters, investigative journalists, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #105

By 'authoritarian' you mean "people who don't accept in blind faith geek tragedy Jun 2013 #109

It's easy to recognize the authoritarians. They openly hate Occupy, protestors, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #112

The document shows that the FBI was investigating the planners as potential "Domestic Terrorists". cheapdate Jun 2013 #163

The Onion WovenGems Jun 2013 #178

uh, it would seem this is evidence of an investigation arely staircase Jun 2013 #4

Hm. What I got out of it is the FBI is OK with someone planning sniper attacks. Octafish Jun 2013 #113

where do they say they are OK with it? arely staircase Jun 2013 #114

It's right there! Plain as day! zappaman Jun 2013 #118

lol nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #121

In the unredacted parts of the document. Octafish Jun 2013 #119

where? i don't see it. and if you meant "redacted" as in where they don't give you people's names arely staircase Jun 2013 #120

You apparently need to brush up on reading documents in which truedelphi Jun 2013 #150

and then just decided, oh fuck it what's the point? arely staircase Jun 2013 #155

The FBI was investigating the planners as potential "Domestic Terrorists". cheapdate Jun 2013 #162

Supporting the enemy of nineteen50 Jun 2013 #124

I thought you were supposed to keep this shit in the dungeon snooper2 Jun 2013 #9

Go learn about Dave Lindorff before you crap on a post, snooper2. Octafish Jun 2013 #13

how far are we going back? snooper2 Jun 2013 #16

So, you haven't won anything that matters. Octafish Jun 2013 #18

I think most people have heard of Judo arely staircase Jun 2013 #21

You make quite a point there. I'm not sure it's the one you intended, though. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #31

so which part is wrong? arely staircase Jun 2013 #36

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #38

PWNED!!! bvar22 Jun 2013 #57

+10000000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #125

oh well that clears it up arely staircase Jun 2013 #19

Lindorff thinks the CIA was behind the Boston Marathon bombing. he's a nut. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29

guy's getting more credible all the time arely staircase Jun 2013 #32

"he's a nut." ProSense Jun 2013 #33

wonder if he won an award for that? arely staircase Jun 2013 #39

Better Believe It!!...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #42

I hope you put this reply in your journal! n/t zappaman Jun 2013 #49

*snork*... SidDithers Jun 2013 #55

Laugh all you want. You still haven't shown where I'm wrong about the BFEE. Octafish Jun 2013 #111

Talk about a blast from the past. Classic BBI. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #59

Well, he certainly miscalculated his influence on the reelection of Barack Obama. What a jerk! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #60

interesting link - thank you temmer Jun 2013 #73

Nothing like misrepresenting what he wrote for a good smear. Octafish Jun 2013 #165

Project Censored has been a joke for the past decade, as opposed to when it first started geek tragedy Jun 2013 #44

you guys are so obvious HiPointDem Jun 2013 #143

Nah, GD is the new dungeon... SidDithers Jun 2013 #102

Well, from what you posted, they investigated and nothing panned out Recursion Jun 2013 #12

Right. Lots of stuff in history the FBI failed to investigate. Octafish Jun 2013 #15

Wow. A guy photographed in a place that we know Kennedy wasn't shot from Recursion Jun 2013 #23

No. Joseph Adams Milteer pretty much outlined the 'official version of Dallas' before it happened. Octafish Jun 2013 #98

From FBI response Progressive dog Jun 2013 #14

Yeah. Like the times the FBI let White Bulger get away with murder? I mean, ''murders?'' Octafish Jun 2013 #20

That totally proves the allegation in the OP arely staircase Jun 2013 #22

Whitey Bulger is coming after Occupy? nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #24

Duh. zappaman Jun 2013 #35

what is it that you find so significant about the fbi statement you quote? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #144

It amuses me that the same people so worried about privacy Progressive dog Jun 2013 #152

It amuses me that you think the people's right to privacy applies to the State. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #170

You are really confused, the FB I evidence was not about the state Progressive dog Jun 2013 #171

i understand that perfectly well. it's you who are confused. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #173

LOL Progressive dog Jun 2013 #174

occupy was not seen as "legitimate" political speech from the beginning... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #25

Here's the FBI memo... Octafish Jun 2013 #51

If you wouldve seen the gathering in Atlanta 7962 Jun 2013 #88

Who do you think they would have pinned this on if they had followed through with it. They sure GoneFishin Jun 2013 #26

assange arely staircase Jun 2013 #43

Occupy demos were peaceful, so I'd think coming up with something could be a challenge. Octafish Jun 2013 #130

The REAL question is, kentauros Jun 2013 #27

There ARE a lot of solid, loyal Democrats and DUers who choose to LIVE in Texas. bvar22 Jun 2013 #61

I know I probably should have put the sarcasm tag in there, kentauros Jun 2013 #70

Oops. bvar22 Jun 2013 #82

No problem. kentauros Jun 2013 #93

what is that about? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #145

This country feels it IS "capitalism" so anything seen as anti-capitalism is a target. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #30

Axis of Evil: 'The Mafia, CIA & George Bush' Octafish Jun 2013 #96

The Washington Times used to be an actual newspaper once upon a time.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #108

not really. it was founded by the rev. moon in 1982 & has always been a moonie outlet. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #146

By that, I mean Republicans weren't sacrosanct. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #148

Kick! zappaman Jun 2013 #34

I actually rec'd it arely staircase Jun 2013 #45

And who demanded that Obama invade Manhattan or lose decisively in 2012. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #46

Is this a trick question? zappaman Jun 2013 #47

Thanks, Oct. +1 rec, as usual. NT. Mc Mike Jun 2013 #37

FBI Aids Terrorist Death Ray Plot to Foil Terrorist Death Ray Plot Octafish Jun 2013 #137

Joseph Conrad's book 'The Secret Agent' Mc Mike Jun 2013 #160

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #40

Lindorff wrote cops and banksters plotted before OWS started... Octafish Jun 2013 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2013 #41

And I am sure you knew zeemike Jun 2013 #48

No, we're pointing out that the claim is false--the documents don't show geek tragedy Jun 2013 #58

And the usual suspects show up to credulously believe whatever is posted...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #65

Yes we do. zeemike Jun 2013 #71

Glad to see there's no skepticism, at all, about the spew from Dave Lindorff... SidDithers Jun 2013 #77

So, it's wrong to believe what the government says but you believe everything geek tragedy Jun 2013 #80

Well it would be wrong to believe everything you say zeemike Jun 2013 #87

The document says the FBI investigated the report, which means it can't say that they did nothing geek tragedy Jun 2013 #92

Lil Sis is useful for keeping Big Brother's boot off our happy mugs... Octafish Jun 2013 #167

Ha! zeemike Jun 2013 #168

Not surprising considering a Republican Bush appointee was running the FBI. pa28 Jun 2013 #50

K&R This is how dangerous to the people this nation has become under corporate rule. woo me with science Jun 2013 #52

I am not convinced. Gore1FL Jun 2013 #53

That was part of the genius of Occupy 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #54

So it was a gestalt mind trick or something, huh. randome Jun 2013 #64

You have it exactly wrong, as usual 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #69

No, I was not. And I don't need to explain why. randome Jun 2013 #72

Occupy was/is what it was/is. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #74

I always advocated for marches on Washington because that's where the loopholes are created. randome Jun 2013 #84

Where i agree with you that Congress is at the heart of the problem... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2013 #141

As one who participated in Occupy, I must say that I do not believe you deserve HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #62

Ignorant or they approve of it. zeemike Jun 2013 #67

approve what? the FBI investigating threats arely staircase Jun 2013 #101

I've been part of OccupyLA including breaking the curfew the city set...this is the first time Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #135

Some DUers would have cheered had it happened whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Earth_First Jun 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jun 2013 #79

DU'ers? ABSOLUTELY! nt Earth_First Jun 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

self-deletes to reflect a lack of self-control... Earth_First Jun 2013 #86

will self-delete out of reciprocity and respect nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #90

The push-back came in the form of domestic terrorism by the government against the citizens. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #76

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #78

Is there nothing too crazy to post here anymore? DevonRex Jun 2013 #85

Circuits aren't all firing, are they? randome Jun 2013 #89

K&R Waiting For Everyman Jun 2013 #94

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #95

exactly why i'm kicking your post HiPointDem Jun 2013 #147

Amazing, FBI refers to sniper attacks on law-abiding US citizens and some DUers laugh. Octafish Jun 2013 #164

Yes, I would be shocked quakerboy Jun 2013 #99

As a citizen seeking justice for deprivation of rights under color of law that has gone to the IG bobthedrummer Jun 2013 #100

Wasn't the former head of the FBI an extortionist, J Edgar Hoover i believe was his name.... Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #106

I remember hearing about this. Sooo, all this secret "security?" DirkGently Jun 2013 #107

! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #110

I smell bullshit Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #115

You do, huh? You forget the unarmed man under interrogation, shot dead in FBI custody? Octafish Jun 2013 #116

The FBI found some fringers in Occupy Cleveland, got them drunk and offered them explosives Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #138

I actually believe what you posted. Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #140

Everything I've posted is searchable; much of it on DU. Including an earlier posting of the OP Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #142

Nothing that happens in this country... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #117

Another Nefarious Executive Branch Organization In The Obama Administration Up To No Good cantbeserious Jun 2013 #123

"What did the FBI do about it?" Based on the number of "executions"...... George II Jun 2013 #127

what if the big censored part tells what the fbi did to stop the plot? tiny elvis Jun 2013 #128

I'd imagine they could have kept that unredacted excepting names and places. So why didn't they. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #136

"disrupting commerce" that is the key to how we..... Hotler Jun 2013 #166

Only a pattern that's a couple hundred years old. Government protecting Government for Government's cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #131

I recall a celebrated remark made by an operative in COINTELPRO, Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #134

Curent day events make me long for a return to truedelphi Jun 2013 #172

kr Norrin Radd Jun 2013 #132

I'm somewhat skeptical. How do we know this wasn't Dash87 Jun 2013 #133

n/t TransitJohn Jun 2013 #149

Alright, let's try to find out who they are. And we know some things already. ck4829 Jun 2013 #151

What mercenary corporation is headquartered in Texas? Octafish Jun 2013 #175

Octafish - Thanks for posting the Dave Lindorff article. The deniers and minimizers truth2power Jun 2013 #156

I know how can anybody doubt arely staircase Jun 2013 #157

The source is the FBI Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #158

Nearly too big to fight. lonestarnot Jun 2013 #161

Like when Rome outlawed the word 'Peace.' Octafish Jun 2013 #177

What was Travon Martin's description of George Zimmerman? Creepy Cracker. lonestarnot Aug 2013 #180

Gracias, hermana. Octafish Aug 2013 #182

It seems like all the thing they get a heads up on are the orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #176

k/r marmar Jun 2013 #179

The FBI was concerned about the murder plotters privacy Ash_F Aug 2013 #181