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In reply to the discussion: I stopped for gas today and saw these taped to the posts holding up the canape. [View all]RC
(25,592 posts)48. What it really does is change the pollution produced. Ethanol is not really cleaner.
Want to Reduce Air Pollution? Don't Rely on Ethanol Necessarily
Fueling the automobile fleet primarily with ethanol rather than gasoline might increase air pollution, a new study finds
Ethanol as a fuel offers a host of potential benefits, according to its supporters. It can be grown and refined primarily in the U.S., whether made from corn, switchgrass or cellulose. It is already being used as a fuel additiveto help gasoline burn more completely and, thus, cut down on air pollution. And, because it is made from plants that pull carbon dioxide from the air, it does not add additional greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, which are driving climate change. But a new study shows that it will not help clear the nation's skies of smog; on the contrary, it could increase the levels of that dangerous pollution.
Environmental engineer Mark Jacobson of Stanford University used a computer model to assess how the air pollution in the U.S. would react if vehicles remained primarily fueled by gasoline in 2020 or if the fleet transferred to a fuel that was a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, so-called E85. Under the latter scenario, levels of the cancer-causing agents benzene and butadiene dropped, whereas those of formaldehyde and acetaldehyde rose: In other words, it was a wash.
Because burning ethanol can potentially add more smog-forming pollution to the atmosphere, however, it can also exacerbate the ill effects of such air pollution. According to Jacobson, burning ethanol adds 22 percent more hydrocarbons to the atmosphere than does burning gasoline and this would lead to a nearly two parts per billion increase in tropospheric ozone. This surface ozone, which has been linked to inflamed lungs, impaired immune systems and heart disease by prior research, would in turn lead to a 4 percent increase in the number of ground level ozone-related deaths, or roughly 200 extra deaths a year. "Due to its ozone effects, future E85 may be a greater overall public health risk than gasoline," Jacobson writes in the study published in Environmental Science & Technology. "It can be concluded with confidence only that E85 is unlikely to improve air quality over future gasoline vehicles."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=reduce-air-pollution-do-not-rely-on-ethanol
Fueling the automobile fleet primarily with ethanol rather than gasoline might increase air pollution, a new study finds
Ethanol as a fuel offers a host of potential benefits, according to its supporters. It can be grown and refined primarily in the U.S., whether made from corn, switchgrass or cellulose. It is already being used as a fuel additiveto help gasoline burn more completely and, thus, cut down on air pollution. And, because it is made from plants that pull carbon dioxide from the air, it does not add additional greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, which are driving climate change. But a new study shows that it will not help clear the nation's skies of smog; on the contrary, it could increase the levels of that dangerous pollution.
Environmental engineer Mark Jacobson of Stanford University used a computer model to assess how the air pollution in the U.S. would react if vehicles remained primarily fueled by gasoline in 2020 or if the fleet transferred to a fuel that was a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, so-called E85. Under the latter scenario, levels of the cancer-causing agents benzene and butadiene dropped, whereas those of formaldehyde and acetaldehyde rose: In other words, it was a wash.
Because burning ethanol can potentially add more smog-forming pollution to the atmosphere, however, it can also exacerbate the ill effects of such air pollution. According to Jacobson, burning ethanol adds 22 percent more hydrocarbons to the atmosphere than does burning gasoline and this would lead to a nearly two parts per billion increase in tropospheric ozone. This surface ozone, which has been linked to inflamed lungs, impaired immune systems and heart disease by prior research, would in turn lead to a 4 percent increase in the number of ground level ozone-related deaths, or roughly 200 extra deaths a year. "Due to its ozone effects, future E85 may be a greater overall public health risk than gasoline," Jacobson writes in the study published in Environmental Science & Technology. "It can be concluded with confidence only that E85 is unlikely to improve air quality over future gasoline vehicles."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=reduce-air-pollution-do-not-rely-on-ethanol
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I stopped for gas today and saw these taped to the posts holding up the canape. [View all]
RC
Jul 2013
OP
And when Mythbusters took this on, they found that the 10% ethanol, came out ahead on RAW mileage.
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#84
The do not sell the non ethanol regular in the Kansas City area. Only the premium variety.
RC
Jul 2013
#10
Not a problem thx for explaining. I would just add the lean bank message is indicating that
Drew Richards
Jul 2013
#25
Bad design. Not bad fuel. Or perhaps just bad luck in component tollerances.
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#86
Yep. I've got two vintage autos that are being slowly killed so corn corporations can get a welfare
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2013
#15
They actually sell gasoline? I thought those were pumps for day-old coffee. n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#21
Democrats have been supporting the use of ethanol ever since the mid-70s!!!
Major Hogwash
Jul 2013
#62
Oil and natural gas companies like ethanol because of the energy needed to make ethanol from growing
RC
Jul 2013
#30
Here in Atlanta it's very hard to escape the Archer Daniels Midland Tax.
kenny blankenship
Jul 2013
#28
Thanks for clarifying my statement - you are correct as it is a 10% mixture.
edgineered
Jul 2013
#41
And if I'd wanted to play silly buggers I could have used the "CANYONERO"...
TheMadMonk
Jul 2013
#118
What it really does is change the pollution produced. Ethanol is not really cleaner.
RC
Jul 2013
#48
The risk associated with ethanol in older engines is the corrosion of rubber and plastic...
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#71
Ethanol corrodes aluminum as well, just not as quickly as old seals and hoses
kenny blankenship
Jul 2013
#80
Higher octane does not mean less energy. It tends to have a higher flash point.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#66
Did you see the surveillance cameras watching you, violating your 4th Amendment rights?
railsback
Jul 2013
#53
Let's be clear here. A 30% increase in potential energy does not equal a 30% increase in output.
Gravitycollapse
Jul 2013
#74
Applause for rc, who could have edited the OP, but didn't, and provided us with some fun.
Kurovski
Jul 2013
#107
You know those are delicious fried in a little sesame oil and served on a skewer.
bluedigger
Jul 2013
#112