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Motown_Johnny

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99. Interesting

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:15 PM

Jul 2013

I knew Ethanol had less energy but I didn't know it was that much. I learned something today, thanks for that.

http://zfacts.com/p/436.html

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How much should you pay for E10 and E85?
If regular gas is $3.00/gallon you should pay
$2.90 / gallon for E10 (10% ethanol).
$2.13 / gallon for E85 (85% ethanol).
If regular gas is $2.00/gallon you should pay
$1.93 / gallon for E10 (10% ethanol).
$1.42 / gallon for E85 (85% ethanol).
Then you will be paying the same amount per mile driven.
The formula is this: For EX, where X is the percent ethanol
Ethanol price should = Gasoline price times (100 – X + X/1.52)/100
Notice that 100 – X is the percent of gas and X/1.52 is the percent of ethanol adjusted down by about 2/3 because it has less energy.

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I stopped for gas today and saw these taped to the posts holding up the canape. [View all] RC Jul 2013 OP

I like the deviled eggs when I want premium gas. bluedigger Jul 2013 #1

As it should be Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #3

... bunnies Jul 2013 #4

A big honkin' burrito from Acapulco Joe's here in Indy works better. Brigid Jul 2013 #18

Oh, don't be crudite to the OP. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #35

Sorry. bluedigger Jul 2013 #36

Let's get this Pâté started. Kurovski Jul 2013 #77

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No double-dipping. Kurovski Jul 2013 #82

Yes, it's aperatif to refrain from doing that. Arugula Latte Jul 2013 #87

Ham I going to ignore strict hors d'Oeuvres from you? Kurovski Jul 2013 #88

Butter makes everything better by an hors d'oeuvre of magnitude pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #91

Now whatcha' gotta' be petit four? Kurovski Jul 2013 #100

...Kebab! pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #102

Well taramasalata! Kurovski Jul 2013 #104

As the old song says...the pâte's over pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #105

"Little Tiny Sandwiches On Sale." Atman Jul 2013 #2

K & R okaawhatever Jul 2013 #5

RC! You forgot the accent aigu over "canopy." Demit Jul 2013 #6

Ethanol does have less energy -but don't believe rest lindisfarne Jul 2013 #7

You shouldn't be getting 10% better fuel economy, though krispos42 Jul 2013 #81

And when Mythbusters took this on, they found that the 10% ethanol, came out ahead on RAW mileage. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #84

Interesting laundry_queen Jul 2013 #109

AS did the two major commercial current affairs programs here Australia. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #117

I don't buy premium Go Vols Jul 2013 #8

The do not sell the non ethanol regular in the Kansas City area. Only the premium variety. RC Jul 2013 #10

Many stations near me carry no-ethanol gas. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #9

The short time I was in Iowa I noticed significant price differences sweetloukillbot Jul 2013 #29

Site to find real gas Go Vols Jul 2013 #11

I used a site like that to find a place in Independence for real gas. RC Jul 2013 #12

None within 50 miles of me. malokvale77 Jul 2013 #19

Old age is killing your '89 Toyota. That and deliberate poor design. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #85

My 99 ford explorer screws up on the ethanol crap Drew Richards Jul 2013 #13

I have no idea what most of that means Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #14

Dieseling means the engine runs without the spark plugs functioning A HERETIC I AM Jul 2013 #22

Not a problem thx for explaining. I would just add the lean bank message is indicating that Drew Richards Jul 2013 #25

Bad design. Not bad fuel. Or perhaps just bad luck in component tollerances. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #86

Yep. I've got two vintage autos that are being slowly killed so corn corporations can get a welfare Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #15

Which gas station was? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #16

The Hy-Vee station on 23rd in Independence. RC Jul 2013 #20

Ive been fueling up only at 7/11 with premium gas darkangel218 Jul 2013 #17

They actually sell gasoline? I thought those were pumps for day-old coffee. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #21

Of course! jberryhill Jul 2013 #54

"While you are reading this, someone is rifling your glove box" TheCowsCameHome Jul 2013 #23

At least you learned something. We got this thing called ''GSTV.'' Octafish Jul 2013 #24

Yes. GSTV TheCowsCameHome Jul 2013 #90

It's beautiful. Octafish Jul 2013 #97

So, ethanol gas is no good? Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #26

Because they have been bought and paid for as have the Republicans? RC Jul 2013 #31

Democrats have been supporting the use of ethanol ever since the mid-70s!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #62

This OP brought to you by........... rdharma Jul 2013 #27

Oil and natural gas companies like ethanol because of the energy needed to make ethanol from growing RC Jul 2013 #30

It takes so much oil and natural gas to make the ethanol... caraher Jul 2013 #33

Yup! Ethanol sucks too! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #39

Here in Atlanta it's very hard to escape the Archer Daniels Midland Tax. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #28

is ethanol that corn made stuff? Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #32

It sure is. RC Jul 2013 #34

The numbers given are not correct - edgineered Jul 2013 #37

That 3% is the energy difference between 10% ethanol and straight gasoline. RC Jul 2013 #38

Thanks for clarifying my statement - you are correct as it is a 10% mixture. edgineered Jul 2013 #41

I'm getting a BP advertisement banner at the top of this thread. rdharma Jul 2013 #40

Total BS from the American Petroleum Institute farmbo Jul 2013 #42

Using corn to make ethanol is barely worth it form an energy standpoint. RC Jul 2013 #44

That is an entirely separate argument to what is being discussed here. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #89

Hummers have been gone for three years now. bluedigger Jul 2013 #114

And if I'd wanted to play silly buggers I could have used the "CANYONERO"... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #118

That would have been a good one. bluedigger Jul 2013 #119

Confession time. I wish I had thought of the Canyonero before that post. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #120

they just want you to pay more for gas Skittles Jul 2013 #43

The Ethanol content is not just for energy johnd83 Jul 2013 #45

What it really does is change the pollution produced. Ethanol is not really cleaner. RC Jul 2013 #48

Ethanol has more energy MattBaggins Jul 2013 #46

High octane gas actually is harder to ignite than regular gas. doc03 Jul 2013 #51

Higher octane does not refer to and has nothing to do with energy content RC Jul 2013 #52

Thanks I agree n/t doc03 Jul 2013 #57

Ethanol can stand higher compression than standard gas MattBaggins Jul 2013 #60

An engine designed to run on pure ethanol can be pretty gutsy, but RC Jul 2013 #64

I don't disagree with that. MattBaggins Jul 2013 #69

I think you are confusing ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #93

It's absolutely correct ethanol is destroying doc03 Jul 2013 #47

What are you basing your claim MattBaggins Jul 2013 #49

Ask a mechanic what it does to a small engine! n/t doc03 Jul 2013 #58

On anything made in the past 10 years? MattBaggins Jul 2013 #59

So I should just through away my 25 year old outboard doc03 Jul 2013 #63

on a 25 year old motor did you do any replacement of gaskets or hoses? MattBaggins Jul 2013 #73

I have been told by mechanics that in older cars doc03 Jul 2013 #61

It doesn't work well in older engines MattBaggins Jul 2013 #65

First you are pimping for ethanol now you agree it doc03 Jul 2013 #67

Why are we being forced to buy unleaded gas? MattBaggins Jul 2013 #70

The risk associated with ethanol in older engines is the corrosion of rubber and plastic... Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #71

Ethanol corrodes aluminum as well, just not as quickly as old seals and hoses kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #80

I don't support ethanol fuel. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #83

Higher octane = less energy taught_me_patience Jul 2013 #50

I keep track of my gas mileage. RC Jul 2013 #55

Higher octane does not mean less energy. It tends to have a higher flash point. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #66

The engine has to be tuned to take advantage of that taught_me_patience Jul 2013 #76

WRX (STI) and EVO just to name a couple. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #78

Did you see the surveillance cameras watching you, violating your 4th Amendment rights? railsback Jul 2013 #53

Naa, I put covers on all of them in the house. RC Jul 2013 #56

Talk about surveillance cameras, an ad for a web site that doc03 Jul 2013 #72

Wow, that must have been some appetizer! Warpy Jul 2013 #68

Let's be clear here. A 30% increase in potential energy does not equal a 30% increase in output. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #74

here in L.A. gas is so expensive I run my truck on Windex olddots Jul 2013 #75

If that sign was holding up a tray of rumaki, MineralMan Jul 2013 #92

You'd better hummus--they may not last pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #106

I can only dream of finding petrol without that other shit mixed in. ileus Jul 2013 #94

Most marinas carry non ethanol gasoline Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #96

Yeah we're over an hour away from the nearest marina. ileus Jul 2013 #101

are those MPG accurate? Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #95

If my odometer is accurate, they are accurate. RC Jul 2013 #98

Interesting Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #99

canopy. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #103

Applause for rc, who could have edited the OP, but didn't, and provided us with some fun. Kurovski Jul 2013 #107

Amen! pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #108

You mean...it was a trap... Kurovski Jul 2013 #110

It was the work of an hors d'evious mind pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #111

You know those are delicious fried in a little sesame oil and served on a skewer. bluedigger Jul 2013 #112

Skewer? pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #113

Ugh! I think it's time we called this a wrap. bluedigger Jul 2013 #115

More's the pita pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #116