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Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
37. You're right, jazzimov
Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:12 PM
Aug 2013

The Democratic Party IS a Big Tent. It's members range from fairly conservative-minded centrists to far-left liberals. In truth, it goes beyond that, in that many Dems are closer to center on some issues, while being very far left on other issues. Not only do our political positions vary from one to the other, but often vary within ourselves depending on whether we're opining on the economy, civil liberties, education, LGBT rights, etc.

DU, however, is NOT a Big Tent - nor is it representative of the Party as a whole.

The 'purist' faction here only accept those who lock-step with them on every single issue; there is no room for differing opinions. Their thinking is black-and-white, i.e. if you are not a Snowden supporter, you are an NSA defender who embraces American citizens being "spied on". If you are not a Greenwald fan, you hate all journalists and the idea of a free press. If you support Obama on any issue you are a mindless worshipper incapable of independent thought. And so it goes.

Terms like DLCer and Third Wayer have no meaning here anymore. They have become labels to be affixed to anyone who doesn't agree with the 'purists', and are bandied about with little regard to their true meaning, or appropriate application.

The 'purists' believe themselves to be an elite group whose principles are loftier, whose political goals are above reproach, whose grasp of what is going on in the country - and in the world - is far beyond that of everyone else. No doubt you've seen the leftier-then-thou arguments played out here time and again - and have seen how divergence from what have been deemed to be 'acceptable opinions' is immediately quashed.

The 'purists' often comment about not voting as a means to "send a message" to the Democrats that they are unhappy. They seem to honestly believe that someone, somewhere takes note of the fact that they haven't voted, and will immediately contact them to find out why. They have no concept of the fact that non-votes accomplish nothing - and no Democratic salesman will call.

The 'purists' will tell you that they must "vote their conscience" - in other words, they are more than happy to see a Republican voted into a position over a Democrat, should said Democrat not be in total agreement with their every demand. It matters not that the Republican is in total disagreement with their desires - their "conscience" apparently allows for that possibility, and they see absolutely no negative consequences as a result. On the contrary, they again believe that a Republican takeover of power will serve to "wake the Democrats up" - and eventually one of their True Progressive (TM) Democrats will be swept into power somewhere down the line, and will right all of the wrongs done by the previous GOPers in office.

The 'purists' detest the idea of "winning" elections. They see "winning" as some kind of beauty contest, where the winner gets a parade and a Best-in-Show trophy. They are completely ignorant of the fact that the "winner" goes on to take the office he/she has been elected to, from where they can effect positive change. They will insist that "winning isn't everything" in a political contest - where winning is indeed everything when it comes to pushing progressive ideas forward from an elected position, rather than from the powerless "also ran" seat on the sidelines.

Thankfully, the 'purist' contingent on DU are, in the great scheme of things, merely a handful of people who have convinced themselves (and each other) that they are representative of real-life Democrats. And as surveys/polls have proven over and over, they are not. Obama's approval ratings among Democrats have been consistently high - an inconvenient truth that the 'purists' persist in ignoring, and spend their panties-in-a-wad hours decrying as irrelevant, skewed, or obvious lies.

I realize that your OP was meant as a plea for unity and understanding among those on this board. But the truth is that the 'purists' don't want unity - it goes against their self-perception that they are "special", and not to be lumped-in with the peasants who are not as 'pure' as they are - those peasants who vote for Democrats over Republicans, those peasants who actively participate in getting out the vote for Party members, those peasants who refuse to lock-step behind the self-proclaimed know-it-alls who, ironically enough, display their lack of knowledge on a daily basis.

There may have been a time when DU was fairly representative of the Democratic Party, Those days are gone.

There are two parties, the Democratic Party is not required to make room for members of the other sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Adam051188 Aug 2013 #5
No, not "required" jazzimov Aug 2013 #6
Well, that's different. I'm all for working with other Parties and supporting any good ideas they sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #69
Wrong. We don't "need" the DLC. That's what the GOP is for. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #2
Damn right! hobbit709 Aug 2013 #3
Amd that tells me that you are exaclty jazzimov Aug 2013 #9
I just want to see the Democratic Party return to advocating for the public. NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #14
The ideology and personal convictions of these folks will not change, NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #16
So it seems that you WILL not change your mind jazzimov Aug 2013 #61
+1 forestpath Aug 2013 #20
+1 Reagan Democrats can return to the GOP soon leftstreet Aug 2013 #49
The DLC is NOT the GOP. jazzimov Aug 2013 #66
Their economic policies are pretty similar Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #68
Sorry. Anybody who comes in here with a misogynistic or homophobic or anti-repro-choice kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #4
I can understand most of that, jazzimov Aug 2013 #17
Do you not understand that "both barrels" is a figure of speech and not to be taken literally. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #47
there comes a point where in standing for everything and everyone, you end up standing for nothing quinnox Aug 2013 #7
that is a very good point jazzimov Aug 2013 #27
Getting there will probably be a long and slow process quinnox Aug 2013 #39
I don't mind their "stances". It's what they do when elected. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #8
And what do you expect when they are elected? jazzimov Aug 2013 #29
I expect them to do what 3d Way politicians do. Collaborate with their pals across the aisle. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #50
I don't need the DLC at all seeing as how I am no longer a democrat. I am free to vote for liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #10
Then why are you posting on DEMOCRATIC Underground? jazzimov Aug 2013 #30
you do realize there are independents on this message board right? Independents just waiting for a liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #31
I want those things, too jazzimov Aug 2013 #67
Many DUers would rather lose elections... SidDithers Aug 2013 #11
Some people live miserable lives zappaman Aug 2013 #15
True dat! n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #19
Some people live in the real world Fumesucker Aug 2013 #33
And a very few DUers have no stake at all and simply stir up shit for their own amusement. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #25
Everyone needs a hobby I guess. I think I shall become an avid fan of curling star elections Dragonfli Aug 2013 #42
ROTFLMAO! Well done! Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #52
Some of you people are comedy gold...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #53
You are exactly right. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #45
Interesting Andy823 Aug 2013 #51
A lot of independent voters are "moderate", but NOT corporatist (unlike the DLC "moderates")... cascadiance Aug 2013 #13
No, the DLC needs us to win elections. We don't need them for anything. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #18
The DLC needs us, true - jazzimov Aug 2013 #34
For what? The country is just awash already in corrupt venal politicians. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #35
Sure, lets kowtow to the DLC. We NEED them, right? Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #60
Big tent, my ass. I will never vote for anti-choice candidate. Period. forestpath Aug 2013 #21
OK, then, Democratic Party. Bye! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #22
Then you never supported the Democratic Party. jazzimov Aug 2013 #36
Actually, the person you should address your comments to is the OP, who is eager MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #38
LOL! I am the OP! jazzimov Aug 2013 #64
here we go yet again. If we don't vote for your candidate then we are aiding the enemy. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #40
You're correct, other things being equal -- but other things aren't equal Jim Lane Aug 2013 #23
Thank you, although I have to disagee jazzimov Aug 2013 #43
Thank you for so clearly demonstrating why there is no hope within the system. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #24
yeah it's pretty evident that the people in government right now both republican and democrat care liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #26
Exactly. There is no other occupation I can think of where the rewards are so large, the risks Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #32
The Democratic Party IS a Big Tent, but bvar22 Aug 2013 #28
You're right, jazzimov Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #37
This is, unfortunately, a very accurate assessment. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #44
Exactly, CakeGrrl. Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #48
You had some of these folks actually saying that Obama was going to lose last year Number23 Aug 2013 #58
This should be an OP... SidDithers Aug 2013 #54
In another DU world Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #56
I think I love you. Number23 Aug 2013 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #41
This OP makes me think of the Grand Bargain mick063 Aug 2013 #46
Then don't bitch when you lose jazzimov Aug 2013 #65
I shall bitch as I please mick063 Aug 2013 #70
Couldn't have said it better myself, Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #55
The reality is that LWolf Aug 2013 #59
Me either, they lay down too easy for big money. Rex Aug 2013 #62
The only purity test is this: Demo-crat AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #63
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