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Fuddnik

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50. It's like Ellsberg revealed in his memoirs,

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:29 AM

Aug 2013

After the initial release of the Pentagon Papers, Nixon was giddy. He wanted more information released because it would make Kennedy and Johnson look bad. When it wasn't coming out fast enough, he charged Charles Colson to leak more.

The papers records stopped in 1968. But, when Nixon found out that Ellsberg had the goods on him too, from the time he was working for Kissinger directly, that's when the shit hit the fan.

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---so what you are saying, is we would be BETTER OFF --- NOT KNOWING THESE THINGS?: [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

please please please don't take my blinders away.... mike_c Aug 2013 #1

Yes. I don't need to know these things. progressoid Aug 2013 #2

progressoid kpete Aug 2013 #3

Fuck yeah! DeSwiss Aug 2013 #15

Books! progressoid Aug 2013 #22

Yes. Aerows Aug 2013 #4

Nice phrasing LearningCurve Aug 2013 #20

It's the classic authoritarian argument. Let your leaders take care of you. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #31

Except he would say Aerows Aug 2013 #33

It's like Ellsberg revealed in his memoirs, Fuddnik Aug 2013 #50

They're protecting us from our own traitorous and untrustworthy minds. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #5

If those things were all Manning leaked, your point would be stronger (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #6

Oh? Aerows Aug 2013 #7

He asserts great damage was done by the large release Hydra Aug 2013 #10

Please, chervilant Aug 2013 #23

Heh Aerows Aug 2013 #24

How do you know what was leaked? Read about it somewheres? Care to share your rhett o rick Aug 2013 #32

kick hfojvt Aug 2013 #8

well, yeah--makes it easier not to have cognitive dissonance MisterP Aug 2013 #9

Msg 2 Obama: I'm all grown up now, and don't need "protection" from the truth. ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #11

Obama is not the only adult in the room Ocelot Aug 2013 #48

Of course we'd be better off not knowing. Ignorance is BLISS, baby! kath Aug 2013 #12

Thank you Kpete for not letting go of this issue. zeemike Aug 2013 #13

I continue to be shocked kpete Aug 2013 #14

The chopper video did it for me too. I can understand being gungho and wanting to A Simple Game Aug 2013 #25

Shooting up the van with the kids in it, did it for me. RC Aug 2013 #56

Wait. What? tblue Aug 2013 #26

No it was the same one. zeemike Aug 2013 #28

If you watched the long version, near the end, there was a guy just walking down a sidewalk... xocet Aug 2013 #39

Yes I saw that. zeemike Aug 2013 #43

They're scared kpete. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #16

You quote..... AnneD Aug 2013 #52

DURec. bvar22 Aug 2013 #17

K&R! Phlem Aug 2013 #18

Are you implying that all 250,000 cables Manning indiscriminately released contained pnwmom Aug 2013 #19

Well, progressoid Aug 2013 #21

First, get the story right... TiberiusB Aug 2013 #41

I'm so proud of my country Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #27

K&R n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #29

None of this will be stopped until people worry more about what the Country as a whole is doing A Simple Game Aug 2013 #30

K&R blackspade Aug 2013 #34

Depends. Is anyone going to do anything about any of it that might make a merrily Aug 2013 #35

Those Iraq numbers seem suspiciously low. ucrdem Aug 2013 #36

Wikileaks is a Bush operation? Your thinking is most impressive! DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #53

It would be uncivil to amplify the sentiment indicated by the word "impressive", wouldn't it? xocet Aug 2013 #55

Well, I ask, are we better off knowing these things. Since knowing...no more income, no job for kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #37

a year ago here on du SwampG8r Aug 2013 #38

True knowledge is a danger to TPTB; propaganda is much better. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #40

And they believe the Enemy is us. tblue Aug 2013 #60

kick burnodo Aug 2013 #42

knowing all that stuff is riuning my enjoyment of american idol. KG Aug 2013 #44

K&R NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #45

K&R n.t myrna minx Aug 2013 #46

Thank you for the original, other OP.. pangaia Aug 2013 #47

Kick and Rec and bookmarked! Fuddnik Aug 2013 #49

If the Bush administration had prosecuted Manning, then no- Obama administration, yes MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #51

I thought most of this had been reported by madinmaryland Aug 2013 #54

If the government thought we needed to know any of that, they would have told us themselves. dawg Aug 2013 #57

It's not about our knowing, but about treestar Aug 2013 #58

. corkhead Aug 2013 #59