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In reply to the discussion: Medical Examiner says he has proof Trayvon was not the aggressor, told to shut up about it [View all]PorridgeGun
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That I knew your knowledge of interrogation techniques came from TV shows before the end of your second sentence.
I would like to thank you for confirming my suspicions in very short order though, and I say that without malice. I'm not in the best of humour tonight and I needed a little chuckle.
In any case, I have had training in, have studied, and given instruction on resistance to interrogation techniques as well as learned to use them myself (including "enhanced" interrogation). I have also been on the receiving end and been subjected to them (including, again, "enhanced" techniques) during a training exercise. Granted, much of that goes far beyond standard police interrogation tactics, but much is still relevant.
GZ's interview is certainly not "right up there" with any of those TV scenario's, I'm afraid.
First, an interrogator strives at the outset to establish "baseline behaviors" that can be used as a foundation for spotting tells that something is amiss. This works in exactly the same way the first few questions of a lie detector test, which are asked soley for establishing physiological baselines. That alone makes it very different from TV street interviews by beat cops with subjects they may have never encountered before, let alone had the chance to observe closely whilst sitting across a table with them for several hours in a small room.
GZ certainly does not have the training to bluff his way through a manslaughter interrogation that is going to pick at every piece of the story, repeatedly, and from different angles. Such things are not taught in any college, anywhere. I doubt he has either the intellectual or psychological resilience required to pass such a course of training in the extraordinarily unlikely event he found one willing to admit him as a student.
No, he would n't have said "the jig is up." It wouldn't have mattered what he'd said because his physical reactions would have given him away before his mind was quick enough to check the "startle" tells, let alone get his mouth open. This is usually followed up by a few snide comments by the detective about noticing a slight discomfort to further rustle the subject, followed by more probing on that subject. All good cops who interview suspects regularly know the basics of this, and there are far more effective things than good cop/bad cop around these days.
Had things gone that way the cops would certainly not have use it in a way that portrayed Zimmerman favourably. They would have considered themselves hot on the trail of at least a manslaughter case at that point.
It isn't "proof" of his innocence, either, just another notch amongst many others on the scorecard in which GZ's lawyers obliterated the prosecution in a never ending blowout.
The proof of his innocence -- coincidentally, the only proof that really matters -- is that a diverse jury of 6 people reviewed all the evidence. all the testimony, and after deliberating at length unanimously acquitted him of both murder and manslaughter,
That GZ is innocent isn't an opinion, it is a fact. You can refuse to accept that fact if you'd like, but I have yet to hear anyone give a rational reason for doing so. And no, the utterly pathetic attempts ITT to gin up hope that a shitcanned medic with a grudge against his bosses and a zeal for publicity is in fact in posession of heretofore unknown hard evidence that blows this case out of the water does not count as a "rational reason."
It can hardly even be said to be within the realm of possibility at this point.
No, you've made the mistake, a very common one around these parts, of combining a self evidently incorrect estimation of Z's intelligence and general character with a knowledge of police procedure. evidence, guns and such that comes entirely from watching "reality" television programs. The bizarre conjectures that follow this unholy union of ignorance and vast overestimation of ones TV show based competence is often quite funny.
Ok, I'm sorry. I mean, what was I thinking? OF COURSE Zimmy lied. Its all clear to me now. Trayvon couldn't possibly have sat on top of GZ and said "you got it" after the shot was fired because he would have been instantly incapacitated and blown backwards by the devastating muzzle energy unleashed by 1 shot from a 9mm semiauto's. GUILTY!! GUILTY!! GUILTY!!!
lol